Kiwi

[Yachter Yat]

I am sure you said previously but I crs. What are you putting on kiwi for power a honda 50 or 60 ?

  Bean:  I'm going with the Honda 50.  I believe this may prove to be the ideal HP motor for this hull.  That said, I should explain:   The reason I chose this motor goes deeper than just the HP rating. The Honda 50 we see today is built on (essentially) the same block as the 45 HP Honda that I ran for over 20 years, on my 16 SC Arima.
   If someone were to ask me where this iconic 3 cylinder (square block) motor should be placed in the history of outboard motors.......I'd have to say:  In a "Jinja". What's a "Jinja"?  The simple answer is:  " A Shrine". 

Yat
   
   
   
   
   
   

[Yachter Yat]

   Kem:  I've never, ever run much beyond 55 MPH when towing my boats. Speed limits on US Interstates is usually posted at 45 min. to 65 max.  I always keep to the right to allow people to safely pass. 

Yat 

[KEM KAI]

Yat, loved the reference to "jinja!" Wife and I had to live in Japan for my job. It was a combo honeymoon and work since we went 3 weeks after getting married.  Always have my boats blessed at the local shrine.

[A_Jensen]

Kem:  I've never, ever run much beyond 55 MPH when towing my boats. Speed limits on US Interstates is usually posted at 45 min. to 65 max.  I always keep to the right to allow people to safely pass. 

Yat 

Hole-Lee-Smokes Yat,, around here you'd get run over doing anything less than 60mph... in the right lane.
I've often heard that the east coast is even less understanding of old-blue-hairs, new-drivers, or new-to-the-wheel immigrants than the west coast.
Please try to drive safe Ol'timer!

[Yachter Yat]

  Pretty funny Jensen.  You probably would never know this, but years ago, you would have not found driving through Boston a very pleasant experience. I think it had the worse reputation for (what we might call) "vehicular operator impatience" than any city in the Country. 
   Interestingly, as the years have gone by, things have changed. No.....I'm not being facetious. If you lived near this city all your life, you'd know what I'm talking about. Courtesy seems to have slowly prevailed. I mean....people let you "cut in" and the horns are mostly silent.  It's "scary". Haha
  As far as my trailering so slowly is concerned; notwithstanding safety, over the years, I've come to discover how much less harmful tiny pieces of gravel can be, especially when colliding with a "tender watercraft", at lower speeds.
  Funny, but I once bought a used pickup truck that (despite having relatively high mileage) seemed to be in fairly nice condition, that is, until I looked through the windshield, in the bright Sunlight. Come to find out, that truck had spent most of its time running up and down the Interstate highways at about 75 MPH.
  You live long enough, my friend, and you will learn.  Ha

Yat 

[A_Jensen]

Sorry Yat, it was my ill attempt at making a traffic joke.
All of last summer I just took the backroads to the boat launch in Everett since I hate freeways, and its only about a 5-minute difference to get there.

Little story:
In 2015 I bought a new 17' welded aluminum runabout and had an incident while towing it briefly on the freeway. The deli-mart at the gas station that I would stop at in the early morning for snacks and ice had no ice, so my little 70 qt. cooler was empty and in the recessed area of my boat's bow. I thought that since only the top 1/3 of my cooler was above the bow it would be safe up there. Well, I'm sure you correctly guessed it wasn't when I got on the freeway. I was in the right lane barely doing 60mph when that cooler blew out of my boat and I just barely noticed it from a sudden movement in my driver's side mirror. Shortly thereafter, a late model Jeep pulled up alongside and motioned me to pull over, so I quickly complied and apologized for my stupidity. The cooler apparently impacted his plastic covered bumper and caused a very small vertical crack. I gave the guy my insurance plus ID, and told him my insurance will cover the damage. Shortly after that I discovered that Progessive's Accident Forgiveness plan was a joke. The damage to that Jeep was around $1500, and my so-called Accident Forgiveness plan was only something unbelievably small like $150.
After the settlement with the damaged party, I cancelled my policy and signed up with State Farm. This incident/accident was just another hard-earned learning experience. My plan these days is to try and keep my remaining years a bit more trouble free - 'cuz I ain't got no time for this' LOL

Once again, I'm sorry for rattling your cage, and hope the outfitting of your boat goes smooth.
   

[AJFishin]

When driving to Vegas with our travel trailer last weekend I set my speed control at 65 and that kept me at a good pace with the truckers. Speed limit is 70, 55 for trailers, and no one obeys the speed limit going to or from Vegas.
My brother always complains to me that I'm too fast at driving, walking, and eating. I said I live in the city and you live up in the mountains, I can't move slow, I've tried but it takes to long.

[Yachter Yat]

   Hey Jensen:  No, no....I didn't take what you said as a "rattle" at all.  In fact, I thought it was rather humorous.  Believe me, it would take much more than that to rattle this monkey's cage.  Just as an example, you'd have to say something "really bad" about "Kiwi". 

Have fun, Yat

[Yachter Yat]

   So, it looks like "drilling time" is at hand. I was running errands yesterday and made a stop at West Marine.  Picked-up some washers for the cleats, LifeSeal and a Moeller plastic motorwell drain tube.  Yep......you heard right....."a motorwell drain tube".
   I also got some marine polyurethane. Reason for that is, I suspect any hole I drill will probably reveal some kind of wood. I don't know what you guys think, but I'd like to seal inside of those before installing any fixture.     
   Funny, but when Bryce Van de Water said this was a "nude" boat; I guess I must have been unaware of his definition of "nude".  I'm finding out, "nude" in New Zealand would appear as completely "bare assed" (waiting for skin to grow), in America.   Gotta get the bow eye next.
   Late yesterday afternoon (after changing the sheets, doing two loads of laundry, washing one toilet bowl, then running all my outside errands), I got "ambitious" and thought I'd do a little something on "Kiwi".
   For those who don't know, when I ordered this boat, I sent Bryce the plastic bilge drain to install.  He did a nice job, but didn't seal it. He wrote back telling me he left it "full length". He just wasn't sure how long to leave it protruding inside the bilge. Okay, no problem.  So, I thought I'd simply remove it and perhaps seal the inside with the poly and give it time to dry, before cutting the length I want and sealing and reinstalling.  Sounded good.......that is, until I noticed he used these 'square-headed' screws to fasten it in place. I managed to get one out with a screwdriver.  The other two wouldn't budge. The "socket" is ordered.
   Stopped me dead in my tracks. I dropped everything and went in and made up a nice spaghetti sauce.   Somehow, I could hear my very patient father's words, ringing in my ear:  "Tomorrow is another day". Ha

Yat
 

   

[headduck]

It's those little things that can make or break a day...if you're lacking a bit of patience...   

[Yachter Yat]

   BTW, now that I'm about to get into the "meat" of the work on "Kiwi", I was hoping to be able to "pump" you guys for your thoughts on sealing the drilled holes as well as the screws that will be made necessary for mounting the hardware and fixtures on this boat.
  It appears there are areas where some kind of wood was encapsulated in glass. These are in the area of the transom, as well as where the aft cleats and bow eye will be located. As mentioned in my previous post, I'd like to seal any cored wood with marine polyurethane.  As to anything simply attached with screws, into fiberglass, I was going to simply fill the relief holes with 3M 4200 prior to installing the screws.  Of course, the above precludes any of the LifeSeal that I'll be using for the final sealing, of any fixture.
  Any thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Yat
   
 

[HalfCaff]

So, it looks like "drilling time" is at hand. I was running errands yesterday and made a stop at West Marine.  Picked-up some washers for the cleats, LifeSeal and a Moeller plastic motorwell drain tube.  Yep......you heard right....."a motorwell drain tube".
   I also got some marine polyurethane. Reason for that is, I suspect any hole I drill will probably reveal some kind of wood. I don't know what you guys think, but I'd like to seal inside of those before installing any fixture.     
   Funny, but when Bryce Van de Water said this was a "nude" boat; I guess I must have been unaware of his definition of "nude".  I'm finding out, "nude" in New Zealand would appear as completely "bare assed" (waiting for skin to grow), in America.   Gotta get the bow eye next.
   Late yesterday afternoon (after changing the sheets, doing two loads of laundry, washing one toilet bowl, then running all my outside errands), I got "ambitious" and thought I'd do a little something on "Kiwi".
   For those who don't know, when I ordered this boat, I sent Bryce the plastic bilge drain to install.  He did a nice job, but didn't seal it. He wrote back telling me he left it "full length". He just wasn't sure how long to leave it protruding inside the bilge. Okay, no problem.  So, I thought I'd simply remove it and perhaps seal the inside with the poly and give it time to dry, before cutting the length I want and sealing and reinstalling.  Sounded good.......that is, until I noticed he used these 'square-headed' screws to fasten it in place. I managed to get one out with a screwdriver.  The other two wouldn't budge. The "socket" is ordered.
   Stopped me dead in my tracks. I dropped everything and went in and made up a nice spaghetti sauce.   Somehow, I could hear my very patient father's words, ringing in my ear:  "Tomorrow is another day". Ha

Yat
 

   

Do you mean the actual head of the screw is square, or the bit required to turn it is square (ie a Robertson)?

[Yachter Yat]

Do you mean the actual head of the screw is square, or the bit required to turn it is square (ie a Robertson)?

   HalfCaff:  The bit needed must be square. The squares in the screws are recessed.

Yat

[markymark]

My '85 Glasply had nothing but square head screws.

[Tom C]

God, how I hate square drive (Robertson) screws. Avoid at all cost.

[Yachter Yat]

  Another little "glitch".  I should have waited to get the boat before buying the bilge pump.  That 1500 GPM Gold Series Rule ain't gonna work.  It fits okay, but would have to sit on an angle. Just not crazy about that arrangement.
  I'll be returning it, along with the accompanying Attwood 1 1/8" stainless bilge hull fitting.  Will be swapping for the Rule 1100 GPM little brother and Attwood's 1" fitting.  This pump should sit down in the "V" of the hull. It should also allow a bit more room for the "shoot-thru-hull" transducer.
https://www.westmarine.com/rule-industries-1100-gph-bilge-pump-17967563.html?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=%5BADL%5D%5BPLA%5D%20Most%20Categories&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwq7fABhB2EiwAwk-YbFfoefzBOIowsEOQRmecQ5SIMGYvjO2C-Blc3aOC0W--AzCOTd-K2xoCNSEQAvD_BwE

  BTW, I also see a version of this pump with built-in water sensing.  For some reason, I'm just not comfortable with that.  Any thoughts?

Yat

 

[HalfCaff]

God, how I hate square drive (Robertson) screws. Avoid at all cost.

Oh boy, forget tariffs - the Canada vs USA debate really gets heated if you want to start talking screw heads, haha.  Given a choice, I will use a Robertson every time.  The majority of the screws on my boat at Robertson, as well as anything around the house or yard.  I find them way harder to strip, and way better to get a positive connection with the bit.  Every time I come across a flat head/slotted screw is when I start cursing at whoever put it there!

Seems New Zealand, being a fellow commonwealth country, must also recognize their superiority 

[Yachter Yat]

  Mark & Tom:  Interesting.  Yeah, once I get 'em out, I'd like to sh*tcan those myself. I'm just worried about how the threading is now established, and as a result, how any other screws I replace them with will "bite"....if you know what I mean.  Oh well; something else to be thinking about, I guess.

Yat

[Yachter Yat]

   WHOA.......I see we seem to have a "difference" of opinion.  No.......I'm not running for the popcorn.   That said, I might go for the CHEEZE-IT's

Yat 

[HalfCaff]

WHOA.......I see we seem to have a "difference" of opinion.  No.......I'm not running for the popcorn.   That said, I might go for the CHEEZE-IT's

Yat 

If you don't have a bag of Hawkins on board, are you even fishing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheezies

[AJFishin]

Alright Yat, finally digging into your project and if there were not a few hiccups when you started, it wouldn't be a true project. You should grab yourself a DeWalt bit set, it has a little of everything, it was a great investment for me 5 years ago.

When I come across a flathead screw, I remove it, hopefully without stripping it, and toss it the trash. Torx bits are my favorite, but on my boat all Phillips just in case because more people and places have Phillips available in a pinch.

[Tom C]

When I encounter square drive fasteners, usually working on an old GlasPly, I remove them and replace with Phillips, which affords a far greater chance of the driver not "camming-out" of the screw head, plus Phillips offered the HUGE benefit of not getting stuck in the screw head.

There are only a very few places in this world where a slotted screw head makes sense, and it is usually cosmetic necessity, like restoration of something antique, so not relevant to this discussion.

[Tom C]

My day job is as a carpenter and general contractor. I drive screws all day long on many jobs. Torx has taken over the industry, much to everybody's relief. Nobody misses those nasty old square drive screws.

But Torx drive is not really applicable to boats; its main benefit is being able to tolerate a tremendous amount of torque while the screw is being driven.

I believe it was Ford Motor Co. that first widely started using Torx head fasteners.

[Hunter]

God, how I hate square drive (Robertson) screws. Avoid at all cost.

I feel the exact opposite. Square heads won't strip like Phillips and allow for more torque.

[Tom C]

Square drive only works if the drive is perfectly aligned with the fastener. If the driver is few degrees off, no go, the square is quickly rounded and worthless.

Phillips has a high tolerance of the screwdriver not being perfectly in alignment with the screw shank.