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Offline Chasin Baitman

Newb boat loading question
« on: September 14, 2013, 07:22:08 AM »
Often when i pull my SE out of the water I notice it's in the EZ loader crooked, even though it looked even in the water (to me anyway). What am I doing wrong, and is there an easy way to tell when it's on the rollers a bit cockeyed?
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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 07:48:25 AM »
Mine sometimes does this too. I'll be interested to see what the guru's have to say about this.

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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 07:51:48 AM »
What I have done to prevent the crooked loading is make sure the main engine is turned all the way as if you are turning right, this applies to the kicker.  Make sure you don't back the trailer in to deep, otherwise it won't properly self align.
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Offline Chasin Baitman

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 08:57:05 AM »

What I have done to prevent the crooked loading is make sure the main engine is turned all the way as if you are turning right, this applies to the kicker.  Make sure you don't back the trailer in to deep, otherwise it won't properly self align.

Yes it's possible I have been backing in too deep. Also, how does turning to motor all the way to the right help?  I like the tip, i just want to understand why/how it works.
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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2013, 09:07:43 AM »
compensates for the weight of the kicker
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Offline Chasin Baitman

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2013, 09:30:40 AM »
compensates for the weight of the kicker

gotcha - thanks!
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Offline La-Z-Buoy

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2013, 10:20:53 AM »
Guide boards or guide rollers are a good solution. Aside from that, are you loading alone? I always have someone with me and can tell them what to look for in loading. I always back in till the trailer fender just submerges, then line up the boat referencing the fender and the side of the boat. Works pretty good.
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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2013, 11:06:17 AM »
If its an EZ loader, Sometimes the trailer roller assemblies get moved.  They come in lefts and rights.  If you have a left one mounted on the right, your boat will not track correctly when loading.






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Offline Tom Mac

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2013, 11:44:16 AM »
Guide boards make it easy, that's what my trailer has and the boat goes on perfect every time. My last boat, what I learned there was winch it on and the rollers would follow the chines (don't put it to deep in the water). As well if it wasn't perfect when you pulled it out I would rock it back and forth and it would center it self.
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Offline Chasin Baitman

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2013, 01:25:46 PM »
Guide boards or guide rollers are a good solution. Aside from that, are you loading alone?

Nah, I usually have my dog with me.  But he's useless :P
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Offline Threeweight

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2013, 03:14:52 PM »
Better than my new boat dog... she goes out of her way to make trouble  :doh:

I have a Shorelander roller trailer... my boat centers pretty well, but one thing I have noticed is that if it isn't perfect, a couple of bounces  on the way up the ramp tends to settle it in place.
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Offline Tom Mac

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2013, 03:48:51 PM »


I have a Shorelander roller trailer... my boat centers pretty well, but one thing I have noticed is that if it isn't perfect, a couple of bounces  on the way up the ramp tends to settle it in place.

This I did as well with my old boat and it would centre it
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Offline Steve

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2013, 07:19:12 PM »
Sticky or stuck rollers can also cause the boat to not center while loading.
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Offline wedocq

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2013, 10:38:51 AM »
What I have found is if I put the trailer too deep in the water, it allows my back end to drift a little as I am pulling it out. To keep this from happening, I don't put the trailer in quite as deep, and crank the boat onto the trailer a little more. The boat usually will line up better this way.
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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2013, 02:35:45 PM »
This is the first bunk trailer I've owned and I was a bit leery of ease of loading/unloading at first, especially with the larger boat. The first launch convinced me that with the rear sponsons, the Arima floats off without having to bury the rear end of the truck into the water and when retrieving the slight angle of the bunks closer together at the front end also seems to help keep the hull centered. A friend with a 23' Grady and a bunk trailer has a hard time getting his boat off or back on at low tide on some ramps... (its a heavy pig) Another friend with a 20' Double 'Beagle' (Eagle) and the same trailer as mine, except with rollers... its a crap shoot to being able to get it on straight. After the last time watching him struggle, we dumped the boat back in and spent the rest of the afternoon adjusting the angle of the rollers (and yes, some of the yokes had been installed backwards like on Croakers pics  :doh:) It went on better after and we've also since changed out the keel rollers to 'self centering' ones. Seems to help a bit but still a beast at low water  :shrug9:

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Offline Kahunanui

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2013, 03:58:54 PM »
My Arima SC16 came with rollers and loaded crooked when ramp had tidal flow and depending on ramp would try to get off the trailer a little quicker than I preferred on some ramps so quickly swapped the roller  trailer for a bunk trailer and at least on this side of the world most times you power on and float off but many back off the trailers, seldom use the crank much but I upgraded the manual winch from standard to stronger and then rigged out a block and tackle arrangement to double the pulling power and can load that little boat even if it was full of buckshot.   That is why I sit here worried about my bow eye with all the posts on that subject.

I think the bunks distribute the weight of the hull and bumps on the road a little more gently on the hull.


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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2013, 06:06:20 PM »
I made it a point to adjust the rollers when I put it on the trailer the 1st time I ever loaded it.
It took me most of an afternoon to get it right (mostly because I have 24 rollers on my trailer).   Now even with tidal flow it goes on straight every time.
Thankfully I have an elect. winch or I'd have worn out my arms and shoulders that day.

I have to agree with the others in saying that it is critical to proper loading for you NOT to put the trailer in too deeply.  Depending on how steep the ramp is I will generally leave the very top of the fender dry.
I boat alone and this gives me a dry step up onto the dock when launching and down when recovering.
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Offline beancounter

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2013, 02:31:57 AM »
Easiest way to load a boat on a roller trailer straight is while boat is in the water. Remove rollers and sell them to some other sucker like yourself. Then get a couple big ol bunks and install. Next drive your boat right on up to the winch stand. Done.

Offline GregE

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2013, 07:07:17 AM »
My bad electric winch switch has been ordered- in the mean time I've learned to bring SFF along while I stand in the back of the boat to keep it balanced.  Bet his arms are still tired from cranking Kodak on... :applause:
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Offline Kimbrey

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2013, 07:40:45 AM »
When I bought the SL that I had the trailer had the guide boards that were wrapped with the standard carpet material.  I did notice the gel coat was marred from the boards so I removed them.  It actually took a fair amount of buffing to get the marring out.  I finally learned to not back the trailer in so far.
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Offline familyrig

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2013, 08:56:56 AM »
My Sea Ranger has the plastic strips over the carpet bunks.  It aids in loading & unloading tremendously.  You do have to be careful, the boat will off-load itself if you detach to early.  My little Sea Explorer is on a roller trailer that does not seem to "roll".  I feel like I am forcing the boat on & off.  Add another winter project.....
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Offline fishorcrab

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2013, 09:59:40 AM »
2 yrs ago, I replaced only the front and rear center rollers on my EZ-Loader trailer.  Could not believe the difference in launching & recovery.  Almost lost my SC16 on the ramp. I had loosened the winch brake but had not removed the safety chain.  First time launching with the new rollers, the safety chain was tight when I got out to finish launch.  I had not realized how much friction there was with the old rollers.

I used to have to back down and hit the brakes to launch. Now it just takes a little hand push to complete launch.  The rollers were that way when I bought the boat.

Wish the center roller axle came with a zerk fitting.

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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2013, 10:34:00 AM »
FYI: The dealer that had originally set up my EZ Loader Roller Trailer for an '89 19 SR was really screwed up and I was about to convert it to a bunk trailer.  No matter how we loaded it was always off center. It turned out the rollers were landing on the hull strakes. We moved the roller assemblies outboard apx 12-16 inches with strakes centered between the rollers. We then extended the padded side bunk upward about 12 inches locating them above the side strake right over the where Arima has their logo.   El Perfecto! Drive-on/Drive off. Whether trailer was on steep ramp or shallow ramp, drive on until bow of boat nests in the V Chock... winch tight...clip safety chain........pull her out and boat was centered perfectly.
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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2013, 07:59:15 PM »


My boat is crooked on the trailer right now.  30mph wind last time out.  I used to worry about it, but I don't care anymore.   :biggrin:
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Offline Hydro-Therapy

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2013, 07:45:53 AM »

 Familyrig you may want to take a look at the bottom of your ranger. The plastic strips on your bunks are called Slick bunks and are Not designed to be used with a fiberglass boat.They are harder than gelcoat and will scratch and gouge the glass. They also will peal bottom paint real nice too.
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Offline GoodDays

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2013, 08:01:13 AM »
I trailer a few different boats of various sizes on a regular basis... #1 mistake I see people make is backing down too far.. both for launching and retrieving. I have all of my boats set up so that the can be driven right on and off their trailers.

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Offline pnwislanddog

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2013, 09:12:41 AM »
Greg, I don't understand. How is it a mistake to back down too far? Wouldn't doing so simply aid the ability to drive the boat on/off easily?

Offline GoodDays

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2013, 09:43:03 AM »
Backing down too far allows the boat to float all over the place.. You want to find just the right amount of submersion for your trailer that you can power the boat on and off under control and still allow the boat trailer to do its job. The boat should settle into the cradle as you drive on and slide out as you drive off. If your boat floats on, You will have issues with keeping it lined up on the trailer as you take it out of the water.  Hard to explain in words.

I almost never have more than a foot of winch strap out.. Often I just release the tension and unclip it. for loading, drive on Do up the clip and maybe a turn or turn and a half on the handle to tension the strap.   

Every trailer is a bit different but I find if I keep things so I can still get to the trailer tongue without boots or wet feet.. its just about right. Other gauge I use is the trailer fenders. The tops of the fenders are just out of the water.

Maybe I will try to film it one day ?

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Offline pnwislanddog

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2013, 10:32:32 AM »
Thanks, Greg. That makes sense. Launching and retrieval is still new enough for me that I stress a bit about it. Perhaps I'll take a quiet day at the ramp and find the sweet depth spot for my boat/trailer. Then I'll install a depth locator something-or-other for my launch helper. That will help them get the trailer into the water correctly.

I usually launch at a local ramp that has no dock facility whatsoever. This means that I'm on the boat and a helper must drive the vehicle/trailer. That means that I can't launch or retrieve by myself. However, the ramp is very convenient and usually vacant except on very nice weekends.

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Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2013, 01:31:37 PM »

+1...Tops of the fenders 1" out of the water.
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Offline fishorcrab

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2013, 03:56:09 PM »
Perhaps I'll take a quiet day at the ramp and find the sweet depth spot for my boat/trailer. Then I'll install a depth locator something-or-other for my launch helper. That will help them get the trailer into the water correctly.
Depth indicator could be as simple as a one or two inch wide contrasting horizontal stripe on your trailer fenders across the leading edge and wrapped around  the side of the fender such that either you can see the leading edge in your rear view mirror or your helper can tell when the depth is right and signal you to stop.  The stripe could be paint or reflective tape that would even show up at night as a reflection of your truck's brakelights.

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Offline GutZ

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2013, 10:27:38 AM »
I wish I could drive on /drive off. I could not easily get to the safety chain over the bow of my SC. + being handicapped , I need to use a ladder to get in and out of the boat while it is on the trailer. And who would be driving my truck? I suppose if I had some help I could do it easily enough.

One thing I do that I think really helps out is wearing waders. You see so many people going through gyrations trying to keep their feet dry :hoboy: .

I also have a 50' bowline. Some of the launches I use are set up poorly for launch/retrieve. (Mercer Island, Lake Sammammish)
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Offline familyrig

Re: Newb boat loading question
« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2013, 08:39:13 PM »
Hydro-therapy,

Thanks for the tip.  At this time I do not see any marks but I will be checking a lot closer from now on.  I will be removing them if that is the case.  I have to be really careful around the friends I take fishing, they see the bunks & want to unhook the boat before I hit the ramp.  They seem to roll better than the bunk trailer on my Sea Explorer.

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