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Offline mysealium

21’ ranger weight
« on: March 29, 2020, 09:31:40 AM »
What’s the weight of a 21’ ranger soft top with 150 Honda and trailer? Thanks

Offline rockknocker

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2020, 11:27:41 AM »
I'm guessing 4200-4500lbs.

Offline mysealium

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2020, 06:35:13 PM »
Anyone tow the above rig with a F150 3.7 L? Rates for 5500 lbs.

Online Markshoreline

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2020, 07:02:49 PM »
I towed my fully loaded 21 to Nootka with a 2007 Ridgeline I think it had a 3.4 L v6.  There are long uphills  on Vancouver Island especially over the mountains on the way to Gold River.
It did the job but I didn’t pass anyone. The following year I replaced it with a Tundra and the V8 is much more comfortable!
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9

Offline mustang65fbk

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2020, 07:33:16 PM »
Both the Ford F150 and Honda Ridgeline mentioned have a towing capacity right near the total weight of a 21' SR, especially if it's loaded with a lot of gear and so on.  I'm sure it could be done, especially if you don't have far to go and it's relatively flat drive.  I'd be worried about longevity though for the tow rig if you do it for years and years, especially if you go long distances and have steep terrain to go over.  I'm sure there's probably things you could do like getting aftermarket suspension, air bags and so on that will increase your towing capacity though. 
2003 21' Sea Ranger Skip Top
2003 Honda 130hp 4 Stroke

Offline davidsea

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2020, 08:28:17 PM »
  I think the weight estimate is low :   Boat, w/steering+ basics, per Arima (I think this number may be low) = 2150 ,   Motor, plus prop, wiring harness, and controls = 550 ,   Fuel = 300,   2 batteries + switching = 125,    Misc. required gear, spares, electronics, trim tabs, etc. = 250,   Galvanized dual axle roller trailer with side bunks and spare tire = 1375     TOTAL TOWED WEIGHT = 4750#    This doesn't include skip top, arch, launchers, radar, riggers, fishing gear, water tank, ice, or beer.
1996 SR19 Hdtp. - 2018 Honda 115
2009 Duroboat 16 CC, Honda 50  -  SOLD
and 19 other boats (I think, lost count)

Offline Fisherdv

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2020, 09:23:51 PM »
I agree with Davidsea. Many people thought their boat weighed “X”, but when actually weighed ended up being much more. Just because a truck is rated to tow 5500#, I would not want to max it out. There is a formula, or percentage of what can safely be towed per truck manufacturers stated towing capacity, but I don’t remember what the equation is. Remember, you have to be able to STOP that weight too.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2020, 09:37:07 PM by Fisherdv »
2018 Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Online Markshoreline

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2020, 09:44:49 PM »
Plus I packed all 3 fuel tank full of American gas at 68 gallons!
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9

Offline davidsea

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2020, 09:55:26 PM »
  Just for comparison, my SR19, with NO fishing gear at all, and a 775# single axle trailer scales at 3880#.
1996 SR19 Hdtp. - 2018 Honda 115
2009 Duroboat 16 CC, Honda 50  -  SOLD
and 19 other boats (I think, lost count)

Offline Tesoro

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2020, 06:49:32 AM »
Boat manus just like rv manus always put stated weight without most options and much necessary equipment. They want their products to appear to weigh as little as possible due to consumer towing concerns.

On the flip side though, vehicle tow ratings are also understated due to built in safety margins.

I never worry about going uphill like a tortiose but rather going down hill like a hare!

Having good functional brakes on a boat trailer is probably more important than the weight when towing on the cusp. However on a long down grade surge brakes dont help and electric brakes do but dont after they have been given salt water baths!

Please let me know if anyone ever invents a reliable salt water proof braking system.
2009 21HT

Offline mustang65fbk

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2020, 07:14:24 AM »
I’m thinking that it’s going to be closer to 5,000lbs or more fully loaded. Per the ArimaBoats.com website they don’t have the figures for a 21’ SR soft top but do have them for the skip and hard tops. They say that the boat, engine and trailer approximate weight for a 21’ SR ST is 3,800lbs and a 21’ SR HT is 4,000lbs. The keywords there being “approximate weight” as well as “boat, engine, trailer”.  Meaning that A. It’s an approximate weight and B. It doesn’t include the weight of the fuel, fishing gear, downriggers, bait, ice, food and beverages. Even if a 21’ SR ST weighed exactly 3,800lbs as they suggest, 48 gallons of fuel alone is 300lbs. So that’s “4,100lbs” right there with nothing else in the boat other than the motor and fuel. Even more if you have the saddle tanks as those are another 20 gallons at 6lbs per gallon. So “4,220lbs” still with only just the motor and fuel. Everything else is going to add up as well, especially trailers as some people have aluminum trailers whereas others have a steel trailer. So, every setup is going to be slightly different but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if a 21’ SR was over 5,000lbs including the weight of the trailer, especially a 21’ SR HT when fully weighed down with fuel, gear and so on.
2003 21' Sea Ranger Skip Top
2003 Honda 130hp 4 Stroke

Offline Fisherdv

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2020, 07:35:53 AM »
Add about 100+# for the batteries.
2018 Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline polarbill1999

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2020, 07:41:02 AM »
You should be fine with any f150 that is somewhat recent. What year, layout, etc.  Does the 3.7 use the same tranny as the ecoboost or 5.0?  What is your rear end config? You may not win any races with the 3.7l but the engine power is t he least important thing to consider (unless you are going to tow very often and over mountain passes).  The platform itself is capable of towing much more than 5000#.

I saw a note earlier in the thread about increasing your tow capacity.  I would be careful with that.  You very well may be able to increase the trucks real world capabilites buyou will never change the documented capacities.  I had to be very careful with this when buying my travel trailer and then the truck I bought.  I bought a 2019 f150 but I was very careful to make sure I understood all the limits based on the capacity sticker in the door jamb.  You have to understand gvwr, payload, tongue weight (hitch capacity) and gcvwr.  I figured if I went over on any of those I would put myself at risk as insurance could deny claims if anything happened and/or would open up to lawsuits. 

If uiu have any questions related to how to find those capacities let me know.  FYI, don't look in a brochure:)
Brett
1996 Sea Chaser 16 the "Rhumb Runner"
70hp Envinrude VRO
6hp Tohatsu 4 stroke

Offline mustang65fbk

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2020, 08:08:19 AM »
Add about 100+# for the batteries.

Indeed. Likely more depending on what kind/size and the quantity of batteries you have. I’ve got 3 or 4 15lb downrigger balls as well as two downriggers, a pot puller, 4 fishing poles, various fishing gear, safety gear such as life jackets, flares, a radio and so on. All of these things are going to add up and I’m betting it’s going to add up to over 5,000lbs. I definitely wouldn’t want to be making out the towing capacity of my tow vehicle. Especially if it’s for a long distance.
2003 21' Sea Ranger Skip Top
2003 Honda 130hp 4 Stroke

Offline polarbill1999

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2020, 09:20:32 AM »
Seems like you could likely take the documented weights of boat, motors, batteries, fuel and trailer and just add 1000#.

2150 + 600 + 125 + 300 + 1350 = 4525 + 1000 = 5525.
Brett
1996 Sea Chaser 16 the "Rhumb Runner"
70hp Envinrude VRO
6hp Tohatsu 4 stroke

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2020, 02:02:50 PM »
Hauled my 21 HT over 1200 miles including some mountains with our F150 2.7L (has 6600# GVWR tow package and integrated trailer brakes) - - no problems at all. Pretty light load though: no fishing gear, no kicker, less than 1/2 tank fuel. Boat and trailer (aluminum) weighed 4120# at certified scale. The brochures say the max trailer weight is 6000# for this set up but the problem is the max. GCWR is 10,200# per the VIN sticker. My scale weight with two people was: truck 6180 + boat/tlr 4120 = 10,300#. So, right at the max.
2001 Sea Ranger HT 21, Suzuki 140

Offline polarbill1999

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2020, 04:13:28 PM »
If you had the trailer hooked up when weighing then your trailer weight is likely heavier then 4120 since the truck would be carrying the tongue weight as well.

Payload/gvwr is almost always the first limit to be hit.  Tow capacity is a useless number.

By the way, I have heard that little 2.7l is a beast.  My cousin tows a ~25' travel trailer that probably weighs 7k loaded with his 2.7l.  He made a trip to Montana last year I think and goes over Steven's pass a couple time a year. 
Brett
1996 Sea Chaser 16 the "Rhumb Runner"
70hp Envinrude VRO
6hp Tohatsu 4 stroke

Offline ATGEP

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2020, 06:17:36 PM »
You should be fine unless you cross big mountains on a regular basis.  The low tow rating is likely due to engine power/trans & ENG cooling.  Your truck should be a stable platform at 5500. It may be "slow" but what is the race? You may find your combo had a tow option with a different tow rating and you could see what the functional difference is. (IE trans cooler)

Re: 21’ ranger weight
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2020, 07:17:01 PM »
polarbill you are right - - forgot tongue weight. I really like the 2.7l's overall performance and comfort. This is our first full size truck and it gets much better mileage (when not towing, which is 99.9% of the time) than the midsize pickup it replaced. My wife thought it was too big when we first started shopping for a replacement but now she drives it more than our van.
2001 Sea Ranger HT 21, Suzuki 140

 

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