Author Topic: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?  (Read 882 times)

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Online Fisherdv

I’m currently running the stock 13 1/2 inch steering wheel that came with the boat (nice wheel), but it’s small diameter with the Baystar hydraulic steering means lots of turns lock, to lock. It can be difficult in tight areas or docking. I’m just not used to the number of turns vs. cable steering. I was thinking about a larger, 15 1/2 in SS, 6-spoke wheel to offset it a bit. I’m trying to avoid adding one of those steering wheel knobs. Any thoughts? Anyone running a 15 1/2 in wheel on a smaller Arima? Would it even make that much of a difference?
« Last Edit: February 08, 2018, 08:12:04 PM by Fisherdv »
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Threeweight

Larger wheel gets in the way of operating the electronics in a cramped Arima dash.

Hydraulic steering inherently has more turns to lock than cable.  I used a 13.5" wheel on my boat to... works great.  Invest in a spinner to go on the wheel if you want faster response.

https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/product.do?part=39893&engine=adwords&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI29yVzbKX2QIVBL3sCh1MDQySEAQYASABEgLTlvD_BwE
Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

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Offline Chief of the Boat

The knob puts the icing on hydraulic steering.

1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Offline Yachter Yat

    Fisher;  I don't think you want a bigger wheel.  In fact, you actually might want a smaller wheel.  No effort to hyro steering, so I'd go with a Sea Dog 11".  As far as the "suicide" knob is concerned; if you like it, okay.  Personally, I just give mine the middle finger against the spoke.  (Did I just say that?)  I'd bet you a dime to a dollar I could turn my wheel faster with my finger than you could with that knob....especially with a smaller diameter wheel. 

Yat
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16 SC/Honda 60

Online Fisherdv

 :jester: Yat, you must have a strong middle finger.......you must use it alot :whistle:
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Online Fisherdv

The knob puts the icing on hydraulic steering.


Cheif, what size/brand is that 6-spoke? Looks bigger than a 13 1/2. Can I still put that knob on my stock wheel with the rubber grip on the outside?
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Chief of the Boat

I didn't like the knob at first until I got in a tight docking situation. 
1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Offline Chief of the Boat

Fisherdv,
OEM 1994 I am sure like Yat's.
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Offline Chief of the Boat

Fisherdv,
I think your rubberized wheel would work great to hold the knob.  Look at 3WT's post on the video.
1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Online Fisherdv

What’s the “standard” (if there is one) clock position to mount that knob with wheel straight? I don’t see that video you mentioned
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline J Chaser

I have the knob as well.

John
Sea Chaser 1511, Yamaha F70, Yamaha F6 kicker

Offline Chief of the Boat

I mounted mine at 1100.
1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Offline Threeweight

Edson knobs come w/ two different mounting loops, one for bare stainless wheels and one for rubberized.

Stay away from the cheap Sea Dog spinners... they won't fit a rubberized wheel. 

In a pinch, a $20 car steering wheel spinner works just fine, but are a little big and clunky.  I used to use one I got for $15 from Autozone.

« Last Edit: February 08, 2018, 04:02:06 PM by Threeweight »
Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

“Never turn your back on fear. It should always be in front of you, like a thing that might have to be killed.”
       --- Hunter S. Thompson

Online Fisherdv

Thanks for the info, Yat, I think I’ll try the finger next time out and see if that works well. If not I just may have to try that knob. There is a particular launch I sometimes go to that on a strong incoming tide can be very difficult to navigate the boat to the dock while trying to avoid some dock rash. The tide is pushing the boat from behind making for a tricky approach. Appreciate the replies
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Online Fisherdv

Edson knobs come w/ two different mounting loops, one of bare stainless wheels and one for rubberized.

Stay away from the cheap Sea Dog spinners... they won't fit a rubberized wheel. 

In a pinch, a $20 car steering wheel spinner works just fine, but are a little big and clunky.  I used to use one I got for $15 from Autozone.


3WT, that skull knob would go good with a skull and cross bones pirate flag
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Chief of the Boat

I run three of these with fender covers from http://www.mecoastmarine.com/index.shtml.  The will protect your boat.
1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Offline La-Z-Buoy

Bought this from amazon. Much cheaper than just the knob listed above. Knob is incorporated in the wheel, not a separate add on. Works for me. No, I don't have hydraulic steering.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXZ8FE8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Richard

1991 19' Sea Ranger HT
DF 140 Suzuki, Honda 8

Online Fisherdv

Bought this from amazon. Much cheaper than just the knob listed above. Knob is incorporated in the wheel, not a separate add on. Works for me. No, I don't have hydraulic steering.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXZ8FE8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That looks like exactly the same wheel I have stock, only that has the knob.
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Online AJFishin

I saw you go with a classic   :biggrin:

'96 Sea Chaser 16 - Yamaha 70HP - 2 smoke

! Go Kings Go !

Online Fisherdv

I saw you go with a classic   :biggrin:


:jester: And maybe some spoked rims on the trailer  :jester:
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Yachter Yat

   Yeah Chief, I've got the 14" factory 6 spoke wheel like yours.  I like it better than the 5 spokers.  Gives me one more "fingering" opportunity. :facepalm:   Truth is, if I ever swap to hydro steering, I'd go with the Sea Dog 11".  Not only could I turn it faster, but it would also give me just a little additional leg room. 

   Yes Fisher, I have strong middle fingers.  Must be from being "overworked" in my youth.  :jester:

Yat
Dear Arima:  Please "square-off" the Hunter transom. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Online AJFishin

'96 Sea Chaser 16 - Yamaha 70HP - 2 smoke

! Go Kings Go !

Online Fisherdv

Nice!  :clap: I tow it with my 64’
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline mustang65fbk

Now you’ve got me thinking about a new wheel with the rubber cover and suicide knob. The one on amazon looks decent for only $50, mine is all metal and up until now I’ve just used a finger but my uncles old boat had the knob on it but I wasn’t a fan. If you do buy one, Mount it up higher than not so you don’t rack your knees on it every time you move around. Been there, done that several dozen times  :doh:
2003 21' Sea Ranger Skip Top
2004 Honda 130hp 4 Stroke

Offline Yachter Yat

    I don't know, guys.  I mean.......suicide knob on a boat steering wheel?  Isn't that something like turn signals on a bulldozer? :hoboy:   I don't think I'd want that thing wacking my wrists or knees every time I turned around. 

Yat
Dear Arima:  Please "square-off" the Hunter transom. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Online Fisherdv

Now you’ve got me thinking about a new wheel with the rubber cover and suicide knob. The one on amazon looks decent for only $50, mine is all metal and up until now I’ve just used a finger but my uncles old boat had the knob on it but I wasn’t a fan. If you do buy one, Mount it up higher than not so you don’t rack your knees on it every time you move around. Been there, done that several dozen times  :doh:
The rubberized wheel cover is nice, especially on those cold dewy mornings. Very comfortable too. I really didn’t want a knob either but as stated with hydraulic steering it may come in handy. I have to remove my wheel anyway so I can get my drill in there and cut out the hole for my LED trim tab switch so now would be a good time to try that Amazon wheel or get that knob
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Rokefin

    I don't know, guys.  I mean.......suicide knob on a boat steering wheel?  Isn't that something like turn signals on a bulldozer? :hoboy:   I don't think I'd want that thing wacking my wrists or knees every time I turned around. 

Yat


I'm with ya Yat - I have never felt a need for a knob, but it sounds like the users like them...
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Offline Threeweight

When trying to maneuver a larger boat with a hard top into a slip in the wind, being able to go lock to lock on the wheel to bump the motor from forward to reverse lets you sort of "parallel park" and side slip into a space.  Really handy to have one then.
Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

“Never turn your back on fear. It should always be in front of you, like a thing that might have to be killed.”
       --- Hunter S. Thompson

Offline Peddler

I wish I'd added my steering knob a long time-ago!  Love it.  Made a huge difference on my riding mower as well!  :dance:
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Online Fisherdv

Ok, you guys convinced me, I’ll give the knob a try.
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline J Chaser

You won't be disappointed.  :yeahthat:

J.
Sea Chaser 1511, Yamaha F70, Yamaha F6 kicker

Offline diodon

Just like Peddler one on the boat and one on the riding mower, best thing I did. :dance:
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Offline GHMariner

If you want to decrease your turns lock to lock, swap out the Baystar helm for a higher displacement helm. I'm not sure which helm you have currently, but if you have a 1.1ci helm, you could reduce the turns significantly by going with a 1.6 Baystar helm. If you have the 1.6 already, you'd have to step up to a SeaStar helm. They range from 1.4ci to 2.4.

This is a good reference:
http://www.seastarsolutions.com/support-2/volumes-and-capacities-hyd-steering/

Offline Danno

I’m currently running the stock 13 1/2 inch steering wheel that came with the boat (nice wheel), but it’s small diameter with the Baystar hydraulic steering means lots of turns lock, to lock. It can be difficult in tight areas or docking. I’m just not used to the number of turns vs. cable steering. I was thinking about a larger, 15 1/2 in SS, 6-spoke wheel to offset it a bit. I’m trying to avoid adding one of those steering wheel knobs. Any thoughts? Anyone running a 15 1/2 in wheel on a smaller Arima? Would it even make that much of a difference?


Maybe I missed it but the turns, lock to lock, do not change with the steering wheel diameter.
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Online Fisherdv

I think a larger wheel would sort of change the “gear” ratio a bit. Kind of like a larger truck tire/wheel would roll further in one revolution than a smaller diameter one  :shrug9: Or like putting a small diameter steering wheel in a big rig, you would be turning and turning the wheel and not really getting anywhere. Am I making any sense  :shrug9:
« Last Edit: February 12, 2018, 09:04:03 PM by Fisherdv »
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline La-Z-Buoy

The force required to turn the wheel would change in proportion to the diameter. Turns lock to lock would remain the same.
Richard

1991 19' Sea Ranger HT
DF 140 Suzuki, Honda 8

Offline GHMariner

I think a larger wheel would sort of change the “gear” ratio a bit. Kind of like a larger truck tire/wheel would roll further in one revolution than a smaller diameter one  :shrug9: Or like putting a small diameter steering wheel in a big rig, you would be turning and turning the wheel and not really getting anywhere. Am I making any sense  :shrug9:

No. That's not how it works. In fact, it's sort of the opposite. A larger wheel might slightly reduce the force required to turn the wheel a given diatance (ie, inches around the circumference), but the added distance required to move the wheel would add up to the same amount of effort (a larger diameter wheel has a greater circumference).

Anyway, your chief gripe, as I recall, was the number of turns required to go from lock to lock, which would remain exactly the same (though you would be moving your arm over a larger arc, so I think it would actually exacerbate the problem).

If you want to reduce the turns required, the solution as I posted above, is to go with a larger displacement helm (the pump upon which the steering wheel is mounted). However, you should be aware that this will result in a corresponding increase in the effort required to turn the wheel. The solution to this is to a) install a larger diameter wheel, b) upgrade from the small diameter, restrictive Baystar plastic tubing to larger, more robust SeaStar made-to-length hoses, which allow the fluid to flow more easily, or c) incorporate more upper body exercises into your workout routine.

Online Fisherdv

Haha, actually upper body exercises is/was one of my strong points 💪. I have the Baystar with the Seastar hoses. Turning effort is fine, I’m just not used to say many turns lock 2 lock. I’ve always had cable steering.
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Online Croaker Stroker

I use my Brody knob all the time....for quick slow speed maneuvering over reefs, parallel parking, and centering the boat on the trailer... Mine is built into the wheel.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2018, 08:45:45 PM by Croaker Stroker »
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Online Fisherdv

I use my Brody knob all the time....for quick slow speed maneuvering over reefs, parallel parking, and centering the boat on the trailer... Mine is built into the wheel.

I can get the exact same wheel as I have now but with that knob built in for $52. That nice SS knob alone is $99. I’ll have to add that wheel and knob to my list. The list is already getting pretty long  :hoboy:
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP