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Offline metalwrkr

Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« on: December 26, 2017, 02:37:18 PM »
I am finally going to buy trim tabs,  I have searched the site and Insta Trim 9 wide by 12 long seems to be the tab of choice for a Sea Ranger 17.  I have combed the internet and can only seem to find 12 wide by 9 long (opposite from the above size) available in the kits.  I would like to confirm that : 1)  9 wide by 12 long is indeed the right size.  2) If it is, did you have to buy the tab as a special part separate from a kit?  3) Where is a good (read cheap) place to purchase the tabs?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Russ K.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2017, 09:56:07 PM by metalwrkr »
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Offline J Chaser

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2017, 03:18:24 PM »
You seem to be set on Insta Trims. Did you look at Lenco electrics? I have the 9 x12 on my SC1511.

John
Sea Chaser 1511, Yamaha F70, Yamaha F6 kicker

Offline Fisherdv

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2017, 03:22:18 PM »
I’ve been considering Lencos as well
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Rokefin

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2017, 03:23:08 PM »
Russ
The optimum size to use is the 12 wide by the 9 inches long. I also have researched this for my 17 Chaser and wider is more efficient than length but the 9 inch width fits better if you have other accessories mounted on the back of your transom and from what I gather the 9 wide by 12 length works fine on the 17 footers.  I also remember reading and there seemed to be a little bit of confusion on which sizing was what and which to buy. I have a lot of notes on this subject, hopefully I can dig them up and see what my conclusion was.  I was ready to purchase trim tabs last year just when the salmon started biting so I postponed purchasing until now, so I will also be looking for the best deal.....

I see you are looking for insta-trims, I was searching for Lenco electrics so I'm not certain my research will help but I'll see what I have.....

1989 17ft Arima Sea Chaser 2010 115 Yamaha 1995 9.9 Yamaha kicker - Bodega mostly

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2017, 03:25:17 PM »


Get one with a position indicator on the dash.   :twocents:
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Fisherdv

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2017, 03:32:17 PM »


Get one with a position indicator on the dash.   :twocents:
I was researching part #’s on the Lenco tabs and that LED switch is $300 alone :shrug9: I think there’s a kit that includes it. I would really want to have it though
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline BurnsieBabe

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2017, 03:40:34 PM »
We use the Insta-Trim 12" wide by 9" long on all Arima boats, as well as on our Defiance boats.  The standard Insta-Trim kit does not come with a position gauge so you just raise and lower tabs according to how it is running.  The Position Gauge costs almost as much as the whole standard kit.

Belinda

Offline ATGEP

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2017, 04:20:52 PM »

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2017, 04:24:03 PM »


Get one with a position indicator on the dash.   :twocents:
I was researching part #’s on the Lenco tabs and that LED switch is $300 alone :shrug9: I think there’s a kit that includes it. I would really want to have it though

What’s another $300?  100 years from now, you wont know the difference.   :shrug9:
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline J Chaser

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2017, 04:41:58 PM »
I have the switch without the indicator. Although it would be nice, it is really easy to use the tabs without it. As Belinda says, the indicator switch is expensive.

The tabs are the best money I have spent on this boat besides the 27 gallon fuel tank.

John
Sea Chaser 1511, Yamaha F70, Yamaha F6 kicker

Offline Fisherdv

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2017, 04:59:12 PM »
Looks like about $750 or so for the Lenco kit w/LED switch. It’s the porpoising on any small, spread out swell that really makes me want them. The Powertech prop helped some, but still get some porpoising
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Fisherdv

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2017, 05:14:30 PM »


Get one with a position indicator on the dash.   :twocents:
I was researching part #’s on the Lenco tabs and that LED switch is $300 alone :shrug9: I think there’s a kit that includes it. I would really want to have it though

What’s another $300?  100 years from now, you wont know the difference.   :shrug9:
I guess you’re right Croaker, that’s only .25 cents a month :wink: :whistle:
« Last Edit: December 26, 2017, 05:46:55 PM by Fisherdv »
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Ttcustomz

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2017, 05:15:03 PM »
Go with the Lenco electrics. I recently did on my new custom weld boat and man there nice. I like them a lot better than the insta trim ones that I have on my sea legend. I didn’t get the led indicator switch but that would be ideal as you can see where the tabs are. You will enjoy having tabs on your boat.
1999 Arima Sea Legend twin Honda 75
2017 Custom Weld 20offshore  Suzuki 200 Suzuki FI9.9

Offline DevMah

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2017, 06:00:32 PM »
I have the Arima factory Insta Trims and I added the led indicators... I have had my trim tabs since 2015 and not a single issue.

The indicator is worth is weight in gold...my  :twocents:


Dev

2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline Hydroman

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2017, 07:03:20 PM »
I have Lenco Electric on my 27 Thunder Jet with the indicators.

I trim tabs are great, don't find the indicators any value.

You trim by watching RPM vs speed and it is easy to determine when you at max performance.  The position of optimum performance varies dependent of boat loading and sea conditions.

JIm

Offline Dhil12

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2017, 07:48:34 PM »
I have the trim tabs installed by Arima without an indictor. I think it is perfect without an indicator. It's all about sea conditions and feel. an indicator to me would be a waste of money. I simply adjust for conditions watching the speed, tach and fuel consumption gauge
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline La-Z-Buoy

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2017, 08:53:06 PM »
Go with the Lenco electrics. I recently did on my new custom weld boat and man there nice. I like them a lot better than the insta trim ones that I have on my sea legend. I didn’t get the led indicator switch but that would be ideal as you can see where the tabs are. You will enjoy having tabs on your boat.

Hey, I'm curious. You've made a comparison of two different systems on two completely different platforms. Could you explain that a little please. Seems to me that a good comparison would be different systems on the same platform. Or maybe I'm just missing something here. Thanks.
Richard

1991 19' Sea Ranger HT
DF 140 Suzuki, Honda 8

Offline Rokefin

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2017, 08:06:54 AM »
Russ
I didn't dig up my notes yet but from my memory and as you can read here your best bet would be the Lenco electric 12 X 9. If you are going electric I think the only valid option is the Lenco as you will need some tab control in certain waters. Personally I would and will get the kit with the rocker switch but not with the LED, you will learn the feel fairly easy and I think 300 bucks could be spent elsewhere - if you have the extra 3 bills go for the light show.
1989 17ft Arima Sea Chaser 2010 115 Yamaha 1995 9.9 Yamaha kicker - Bodega mostly

Offline BruceL2_Fish

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2017, 08:40:39 AM »
I also have the factory Insta-Trim and they have worked great for me.   I also do not have the indicator and really don't think it is of value.  Conditions change and you will be adjusting as needed depending on what is happening with the water and boat load condition.
2012 Sea Ranger 19 (M. LaDeane)
Suzuki 115 Four Stroke
Honda 9.9 Kicker

Offline ATGEP

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2017, 08:57:45 AM »
I also have the factory Insta-Trim and they have worked great for me.   I also do not have the indicator and really don't think it is of value.  Conditions change and you will be adjusting as needed depending on what is happening with the water and boat load condition.

I agree with the dont need indicator group.  I have my trim switch mounted just to the right of the throttle lever and never actually look at the switch anyways. Insta trim has worked perfectly for me and all of the important bits are out of the water which I like.

Offline Fisherdv

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2017, 09:03:52 AM »
Curious with the Lencos do you have to drill a hole all the way through the transom for the wires, or run wires up over the top of the transom?
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Hydroman

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2017, 09:33:39 AM »
The wires take a lot smaller hole than the hoses and with electric you don't have to use valuable space in the boat for the hydraulic pump and reservoir.

Jim

Offline Nineball

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2017, 09:44:57 AM »
Great discussion about trim tabs

BUT.......

Did anyone else hear TTCustomz say Brand New Boat :dance:

Lets have a look at her Thap!

Carry on
SC17, 75etec, T9.9

Offline J Chaser

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2017, 09:47:43 AM »
I ran my wires over transom and through the same boot for the steering, etc.

John
Sea Chaser 1511, Yamaha F70, Yamaha F6 kicker

Offline Yachter Yat

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2017, 12:15:04 PM »
   On these small boats, I'd go with the electric Lencos with the indicator switch.  IMO, I don't honestly think all the plumbing associated with hydraulic tabs is worth the trouble.  Some claim the hydro tabs respond a little quicker, but in reality, I think we're splitting hairs with regard to the difference.  Also, I like the idea of drilling through the transom for the electric line.  Just not a big fan of "transom spaghetti".  I'd drill the holes, seal with epoxy and add a bit of LifeSeal where I felt necessary.  For what it's worth, Boston Whaler's been using Lencos for years.  My :twocents:

Yat
Dear Arima:  Stretch the Hunter platform by 5. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline metalwrkr

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2017, 12:28:20 PM »
My last boat before the Sea Ranger was an Aqua Sport 22.5 Sea Explorer.  Wonderful boat and extremely seaworthy, but I don't hallie fish across to Canada or out to the green dot anymore. 
It had Bennett Hydraulic tabs and in 15 years of ownership they never gave a bit of trouble.  I did not have an indicator but rather trimmed by feel and conditions.  Seemed to work fine for me and is what I am used to so probably won't get the indicator.  For this particular boat I am going as economical as possible so the Insta-trims are indicated.  I had considered the 9W X 12L but upon measurement the 12W X9L will work and still leave room for the electronics I have.  I will fab a SS bracket for the pump in the port side rear locker up off the deck where splash is less likely and it will be easy to clean below.  Thank you Belinda for the Factory size.   My Thanks for all the input on size, electric or hydraulic and suggestions on where to buy.  You Guys and Gals are an excellent source of "Real Time" experience and opinion.  Russ K.       
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Offline Yachter Yat

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2017, 12:54:11 PM »
   I'm not so sure you'd want to forgo that indicator, Russ.  You must realize by now that you're talkin' to a crowd of "electronic freakos" right? (yours truly included)  So here's a question for you:  Do you like to know how many RPM's your turning, how fast your going, in which direction your heading, how much fuel your burning, how much fuel you have left, what the bottom looks like under you, whether or not there are any fish..........what color the eyes are on those fish?  (Okay, I went a bit overboard on that last point), but you know what I'm saying, right? 

   For me personally, I see that tab indicator in the same light as my outboard trim gauge............absolutely necessary.  When your moving along and playing with those tabs, and your motor is running quietly, and burning about as much fuel as it takes to moisten an oily rag, you might want to know just where those tabs are sitting...........I know I would. 

Yat
« Last Edit: December 27, 2017, 01:23:39 PM by Yachter Yat »
Dear Arima:  Stretch the Hunter platform by 5. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline gfakkema

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2017, 02:02:54 PM »
Great discussion about trim tabs

BUT.......

Did anyone else hear TTCustomz say Brand New Boat :dance:

Lets have a look at her Thap!

Carry on

Yeah, Thap got himself a pretty sweet rig! He's shown me pics and I am jealous. He did however, wait for it..... go to the darkside (read: aluminum).

Back on topic though. I believe that many of you are missing a major point about the indicator. I will agree that adjustment of the tabs is all about feel, but like Yat, I like to know where the tabs are at. Say, for instance, that you are in conditions with a following sea. Where are your tabs? I have been guilty a few times of not bringing them up and getting the dreaded bow steer. An indicator would have helped remind me of the tab position in those circumstances. I also retract my tabs before loading on the trailer and the indicator could get me pretty close to where they need to be after i launch again, but before ever getting on plane.

The way I see it, the indicators are just another tool to have in the captain's toolbox. I personally feel like one can never have enough tools at their disposal. $300? That's realistically chump change compared to what it takes to own and care for our boats. Hell, $300 doesn't even fill my fuel tank...

My  :twocents:.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2017, 02:12:32 PM by gfakkema »
2001 22' Sea Legend HT w/Alaskan Bulkhead
2006 Suzuki DF250 / 2004 Mercury 9.9

Offline Fisherdv

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2017, 02:29:06 PM »
I don’t think the LED switch is a must, but, I would still like to have it for a reference point as has been mentioned. The Lencos are my next project for my boat. My boat now is in no way a$$ heavy, no kicker yet, 1 battery, but it’s the porpoising, cutting through chop, low plane speeds and all the things that people comment about that makes me think I could really benefit from them. I had a 17 Bayliner with a whale tail fin on the outboard (boat came with it installed) and it really did make a difference in controling porpoising and cutting through a small chop. I tried the boat without the fin for a few days but quickly put it back on. I do NOT want a fin however for my Arima. I think the trim tabs would be much better. Really going to be hard drilling all those holes in my transom. But I do think it would be well worth it especially considering the areas I mostly fish. I considered smart tabs, but if I’m going to drill all those holes, I might as well do it right the first time and go adjustable from the start. I would hate to get smart tabs only to have to patch those holes and go adjustable. I’m sure the hole patterns would not match
« Last Edit: December 27, 2017, 02:48:41 PM by Fisherdv »
2018, Sea Chaser 16, Honda 60HP

Offline Ttcustomz

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2017, 10:19:56 PM »
Here you go Nineball!! Lovin it!!
1999 Arima Sea Legend twin Honda 75
2017 Custom Weld 20offshore  Suzuki 200 Suzuki FI9.9

Offline DevMah

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2017, 09:56:17 AM »
   I'm not so sure you'd want to forgo that indicator, Russ.  You must realize by now that you're talkin' to a crowd of "electronic freakos" right? (yours truly included)  So here's a question for you:  Do you like to know how many RPM's your turning, how fast your going, in which direction your heading, how much fuel your burning, how much fuel you have left, what the bottom looks like under you, whether or not there are any fish..........what color the eyes are on those fish?  (Okay, I went a bit overboard on that last point), but you know what I'm saying, right? 

   For me personally, I see that tab indicator in the same light as my outboard trim gauge............absolutely necessary.  When your moving along and playing with those tabs, and your motor is running quietly, and burning about as much fuel as it takes to moisten an oily rag, you might want to know just where those tabs are sitting...........I know I would. 

Yat

I have had the same result ..

Before I had the indicators I would be playing around to find the sweet zone... this was expecially the case when I head back from the island passages it the moderate weather.
Now I know exactly where my tabs are at all times so I can  make quick adjustments.
When I first got my boat I was out in moderate weather the wire one of the activating solenoids had a bad connection giving me intermittent control...I had no way no know if they we even moving or how much.

IMO
I find weird...for those that are making comment that they don’t need them but never had them how do you know the difference....  :stirthepot:

All I can say is when you are on the chop and one stops to work or become irratic, it a lot easier to look at the gauge then looking at the stern...

My boat did not have it on original install but I would now not buy one without.

Im with Yat on this one.

Dev
« Last Edit: December 29, 2017, 06:24:21 PM by DevMah »
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline First Cabin

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2017, 05:34:09 PM »
Haven’t had indicators for 10 plus years now so at this point I believe I can live without. I can feel the trim tab position by how the boat is riding.  I don’t need an indicator to tell me the port side is down or the bow is down.

I am considering the auto tabs though...
First:  1982 15' SeaHunter, Yamaha 70 2-stroke, Yamaha F6
Second:  1987 17' SeaRanger, Merc 90 2-stroke, Yamaha F8
Current:  2002 17' SeaChaser, Yamaha F100, Yamaha T8

Offline Hydroman

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2017, 06:09:20 PM »
As I stated in previous post I do have the indicators.
I rarely look at the indicator unless I am close to end of travel in either position and when I am preparing to load boat on trailer.  I have the auto retract feature that positions the tabs full up when engine ignition is in off position.

Jim

Offline metalwrkr

Re: Trim Tabs (Oh My God Not Again!)
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2018, 12:54:25 PM »
Received my boat leveler trim tabs and just finished the install.  No hitches but have not water tested yet.  Next week I will mix some kokanee fishing and a water test on American Lake a mile down the road.  Boat is all squeaky clean, motors have been run out and tires aired up.  I even sharpened all my knives.  Lingcod season will not catch me flat footed this year.  All I need to do is tie a bunch of leaders and throw the poles in the boat.  Russ K
metalwrkr:  Sent from my rotary phone.  I have two speeds; Dead Slow and All Stop
05 17SR
06 Honda 90
2016  Honda 8 kicker
05 EZloader oil bath