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Offline Diablo

Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« on: November 07, 2017, 12:00:09 PM »
Yesterday I saw 4 purse seiners off Alki Point. The nets were so big only two boats could have them out at the same time on the point.
There were also two fly fisherman. Good luck!
I looked up the commercial rules to see what they were after.

The rule
Purse seines with a 5 inch strip:
Monday, November 6th from 8 AM to 6 PM
(note these hours are shifted one hour later from the hours listed in the regulations booklet) Purse seines must release all Chinook and coho.

What could they keep? Chum?
The fly fisherman could keep hatchery Chinook and Coho.

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Offline Keel-er

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 01:40:58 PM »
This is still chum time, at least in Hood Canal and I think the Nisqually through early December.  At least we used to fish for them and occasionally pick up a late silver. 
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 04:34:22 PM »
Nice pic Diablo!
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Offline Diablo

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 05:37:30 PM »
Thanks.
Do you see purse seiners up in your area Mark? I don’t think I’ve seen them around Seattle for years. i have seen them in the San Juan’s.
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Offline BigSid

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 06:47:10 PM »
Chum return double the estimate, it's hammer time for the commercial fleet.
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 07:52:06 PM »
We have nets that are really long up North, but I think they are gill nets. Haven't been on the water recently as I took the boat onto the hard for maintenance.
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Offline fishnjimmy

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 11:51:41 AM »
The nets have been out and in force at Apple Cove near Kingston for over a week. One day I counted 6 boats...my guess is there ONLY catching chum since they have closed the area for fishing due to "encounters" with juvenile fish for recreational guys.
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Offline Rangerman

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 07:14:15 PM »
Does anyone know why the commercials are allowed to fish for chum but the rest of us must release chum?

Offline GoodDays

Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2017, 11:35:50 AM »
In Canada, and I would suspect similar in the US, Chum, Pink and Sockeye are deemed Commercial Fish while Chinook and Coho are  Sport Fish.  This doesn't mean that there cant be some harvest of each by each gear type, it is more a way of setting Priority of Access.   It was a bit of a trade off years ago for shutting down Commercial Chinook and Coho fisheries.

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Re: Fly fisherman vs purse seines
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2017, 05:26:37 PM »
One of the reasons they open in certain Fisheries Management areas here in Canada close to certain river mouths  for Seine etc is that  the Department of Fisheries DFO sets a Target Escapment (target # of returning salmon that the river can sustain). If DFO determines that a certain river has exceeded the target escapement for say Chum salmon..they they may consider a Seine opening for a short period of time and usually all Chinook or coho caught must be returned. For example the Naniamo River just had a commercial opening. Here was the DFO info for commercial fisherman regarding target and escapement for a few rivers. The first # is what is the fish count estimate that DFO believes have alread returned. They do this by visual, fish counters and swimming the river. So you can see from the #'s that is why the ocean area near the  Naniamo River was opened up for a commmercial fishery. The Target for the river had already been almost doubled, so DFO sees no harm in having a commercial or First Nations opening for any other returning fish in the tidal area near by. Of course there are many other factors from area to area but Target escapement #'s play a large part.

Nanaimo River - 78,000 - November 10 - Target Escapement 40,000.
Chemainus River - UNK - Target Escapement 50,000.
Cowichan River - 177,333 - November 10 - Target Escapement 160,000.
Goldstream River - 4,882 - November 11 - Target Escapement 15,000.