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Offline Neal

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2017, 12:19:58 PM »
I moved the batteries to the sea chaser cuddy. one battery in each side bin.  I modified battery boxes to fit in side bins and had to put a piece of wood on port side so battery would lay flat.  The starboard side bin is bigger and did not need wood.  I used # 2 marine tin but should of used at least #0 per guidelines for a one way 20 foot run for a 19 chaser.  Boat did start fine with #2 but makes me nervous that I did use the recommended size and someday might not start.  Batteries up front helped a lot but actually the same when I put 100 pounds of weight up front prior to battery move.  I do not like the way the batteries look in the cuddly side bins and you do lose storage.  I used agm batteries per recommendations.  If I had to do over again I would of left them in the back and just kept the weight up front.  Looks so much cleaner!  I think the two foot rests will be the best bet.  And I will probably do that.  The wire and agm batteries is a high expensive.  Batteries alone are around $250 each.  Good luck. 


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Offline First Cabin

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2017, 12:41:29 PM »
I put mine in the lower front...in front of the porta-potti.  Once up there it was easy to forget they were there.  No balance issues and low center of gravity.  Seemed like a natural place for them.
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Offline Neal

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2017, 01:50:36 PM »
I agree best spot.  But I need the porti potti


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Offline 1 Short Tub

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2017, 08:06:40 AM »
Granted my considerations are concerning my little hunter, which I will admit I haven't even gotten wet yet. I was considering putting a starting batter under one seat and a house battery under the other, in boxes of course. it seems like a good balance/space/fumes/whatever compromise. having a pole holding me up seems like a waste of space. any thoughts?
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Offline Threeweight

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2017, 11:14:46 AM »
You'd need to run twice the wiring (both batteries will need cables heavy enough to handle starting current for the motor, in case you need to use the House in an emergency).  You need a switch close to both batteries so that in the event of a short you can cut power to the wiring as close to the battery as possible to reduce fire risk (so two switches).  Plenty of pounding in an Arima at the helm (go out on a windy day and ask your back!) so IMO you still need AGM batteries.

IMO, the cuddy is better for all of those reasons, plus shifting 100-125# from the stern to the bow will really improve the handling of a smaller Arima.  Plus the storage space under the seats is actually useful, vs the cuddy porta potty area that is mostly useless. 
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Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2017, 12:14:58 PM »
I moved the batteries to the sea chaser cuddy. one battery in each side bin.  I modified battery boxes to fit in side bins and had to put a piece of wood on port side so battery would lay flat.  The starboard side bin is bigger and did not need wood.  I used # 2 marine tin but should of used at least #0 per guidelines for a one way 20 foot run for a 19 chaser.  Boat did start fine with #2 but makes me nervous that I did use the recommended size and someday might not start.  Batteries up front helped a lot but actually the same when I put 100 pounds of weight up front prior to battery move.  I do not like the way the batteries look in the cuddly side bins and you do lose storage.  I used agm batteries per recommendations.  If I had to do over again I would of left them in the back and just kept the weight up front.  Looks so much cleaner!  I think the two foot rests will be the best bet.  And I will probably do that.  The wire and agm batteries is a high expensive.  Batteries alone are around $250 each.  Good luck. 


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Side bins Neal?  Got any pictures of these side bins on your Chaser??
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 12:51:13 PM by Salmon King »
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Offline FishAddict

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2017, 03:28:12 PM »
Rockhill,

Does your cushion still fit good with the wires coming out of that corner or did you have to modify it?  Mine has the saddle tank in that corner so I will have to bring the wires up about 6 inches away from the corner.

Thanks.
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Offline rockhill

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2017, 12:50:09 AM »
Rockhill,

Does your cushion still fit good with the wires coming out of that corner or did you have to modify it?  Mine has the saddle tank in that corner so I will have to bring the wires up about 6 inches away from the corner.

Thanks.

I had to modify the cushion to lay flat.  I pulled the staples, trimmed the plywood base back then restapled the vinyl. 
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Offline Neal

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2017, 03:23:08 PM »
Salmon king.
On my 2017 chaser there are two side (cut outs) or bins port and starboard.  If you have cushions the cushions would cover them. 


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Offline FishAddict

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2017, 07:04:55 PM »
How heavy of wire did you run from the cuddy to the rear of the boat for the house circuits?  I'm planning on having bilge pump 5A, bait tank pump 5A, wash down pump 10A, two scotty downriggers 12A each.  My calcs are saying a 4 AWG for the house rear and 2/0 AWG from the main to the motor.  Can anyone speak to the proper fusing from the house battery and main starting battery?  The dealer install that was done in my boat has no fuses from the batteries or perko switch to the panels or motor currently.
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Offline Threeweight

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2017, 07:25:36 PM »
2/0 is massive... did you use the Blue Sea calc?  How many cubic inches is your  motor?

My tin can has a very long house run from the stern to my dash, and a giant package of stuff running up there.  It has #6 installed... I would prefer #4, but no issues thus far. 
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Offline FishAddict

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2017, 08:17:22 PM »
I want to have both my Yami F150 and T9.9 start off the main battery so 2/0 may be overkill, but I want to make sure I have max power to the engine.  My thought with the 4 AWG is that I would leave a little room for more accessories in the stern later if I choose like a fish finder etc...
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Offline DevMah

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2017, 08:37:33 PM »
I want to have both my Yami F150 and T9.9 start off the main battery so 2/0 may be overkill, but I want to make sure I have max power to the engine.  My thought with the 4 AWG is that I would leave a little room for more accessories in the stern later if I choose like a fish finder etc...


My Yammy 150 is fused at 200A , my clamped current was around 125A ... I had a 150A fuse but during the winter months last year it popped so I increased it...
I’m have both of my B+ fused off the battery connections.

FYI
150A  ar 12v @35’ is AWG 0


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Offline DevMah

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2017, 08:59:47 PM »
Here's a few pictures of mine Walt.  I put them on the starboard side to offset the kicker.





Rock hill

IMO
Your install looks nice and clean

However you’re  schematic and actual wiring is different from the pictures...

On lug 1 output of your switch you have 3 wires connected this would be (house side). Your schematic shows engine
On lug 2 output you have 2 wires connected this would be your engine. Your schematic shows house.
In your case it would make no difference as both batteries are the same... if you had a starting and deep cycle  then it would a issue.

Here are a few recommendations based off the pictures and schematic.
I see no fusing at the ACRs ( positive and negative)
I see no fusing at the batteries... however I do see the added sheathing as per ABYC 11E. Recommended to add fusing at the batteries or off the switch.
On your schematic I see only one 40 A fuse feeding the switch panel are the independent devices each fused according?
On your schematic I see no  branch fuse or individual device fuses on your house power circuit are they there?

Dev




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Offline Cannon

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2017, 09:29:43 AM »
Here's a few pictures of mine Walt.  I put them on the starboard side to offset the kicker.




A clean install with one exception; your isolation switch is mounted backwards which in reality gives you the ability to use the switch without having to access the locker where your batteries are located. The drawback is that the exposed hot wires need or should be covered to isolate the hot connections from accidental shorting. Not my rules, ABYC rules.  A simple cover of thin plexiglass mounted under the screws you used for reverse mounting would suffice.
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Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2017, 10:31:32 AM »
Salmon king.
On my 2017 chaser there are two side (cut outs) or bins port and starboard.  If you have cushions the cushions would cover them. 


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I was unaware they ever made a Chaser with cabinstorage under the cushion.
I thought that was only in the Rangers....interesting to me because I’d kind of like to have that storage space!
A previous owner must have modified the cabin on yours?
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Offline Neal

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2017, 10:38:36 AM »
 No came from factory.  Look at prior post pictures on this feed where he put batteries in the storage area. That is what I am talking about but I put a battery on each side.


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Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2017, 10:47:01 AM »
Ok...so...I notice your boat is a 2018 model?

Did you custom order it to have those bins put in?
If not then I’m thinking you have a Sea Ranger not a Sea Chaser.
According to Burnsiebabe “Belinda” they never made a Sea Chaser with cuddy storage bins.
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Offline Neal

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2017, 04:11:44 PM »
No it is a sea chaser and I did not special order.   Maybe the newer models have them.  I do not know


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Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2017, 04:18:19 PM »
No it is a sea chaser and I did not special order.   Maybe the newer models have them.  I do not know


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Offline First Cabin

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2017, 04:50:48 PM »
No it is a sea chaser and I did not special order.   Maybe the newer models have them.  I do not know


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2002 17’ SeaChaser.  No front storage or cushions.  Didn’t know they were options either.  Would be nice to have!
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Offline Diablo

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2017, 05:08:54 PM »
The newer SR’s don’t have the little window which might make it harder to tell the difference.  :shrug9:
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Offline GregE

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2017, 08:24:12 PM »
Hull number on the R sponson will have the model code
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Offline DevMah

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2017, 10:20:24 PM »
Here's a few pictures of mine Walt.  I put them on the starboard side to offset the kicker.




A clean install with one exception; your isolation switch is mounted backwards which in reality gives you the ability to use the switch without having to access the locker where your batteries are located. The drawback is that the exposed hot wires need or should be covered to isolate the hot connections from accidental
shorting. Not my rules, ABYC rules.  A simple cover of thin plexiglass mounted under the screws you used for reverse mounting would suffice.


Yes correct  E09.19

b. Switchboards and panelboards shall be designed so that there are no exposed live parts accessible to the operator in the normal operating position.

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Offline Tunacious

Re: would like to hear your opinion on moving batteries to the cuddy???
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2017, 07:41:20 PM »
You mean there are rules you have to follow.
Crap. That means I have to follow directions.
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