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Offline Sean

Repower
« on: September 25, 2017, 07:24:28 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm going to repower my 19 SR. It has a 90 honda 4 stroke which is just under powered. I'm debating between a yamaha 115 and an etec 150 since they are basically the same weight. I know the etec Will be plenty, but I love the reliabilty of yamaha. Is anyone running either of these? Curious if the 115 Is enough? Also have dual batteries, dual electric downriggers, 4 stoke kicker to give an idea of additional weight I'm pushing. Thanks!

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Offline blindmonkey

Re: Repower
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 07:42:19 PM »
I know Foxsea has a 150 Etec on his 21' Explorer. Maybe try and contact him. That boat moves out very well.
Lorne
2013 17' Sea Chaser, Honda 90, Yamaha F8
1994 Sea Explorer, Mercury 60, SOLD

Offline Rifleman

Re: Repower
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 08:39:15 PM »
    I made the same switch you are contemplating late last your. My 19 was set up the same as yours except with radar. Had a Yamaha 115 installed and it made the boat into a completely different boat. I asked about the difference and was told it isn't just HP but that the Yamaha had much more torque.
    Recently added trim tabs and told my wife that's it, no more things to add.
    What exactly is a keel guard, should I think about more electronics, what about...........
     I live near Bremerton, Wa if you want to take it out for a spin.
                                                                                        Rifleman

Offline Sean

Re: Repower
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 08:49:18 PM »
I know Foxsea has a 150 Etec on his 21' Explorer. Maybe try and contact him. That boat moves out very well.
I assume I can search his user name? New to this forum.

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Offline Sean

Re: Repower
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 08:50:22 PM »
    I made the same switch you are contemplating late last your. My 19 was set up the same as yours except with radar. Had a Yamaha 115 installed and it made the boat into a completely different boat. I asked about the difference and was told it isn't just HP but that the Yamaha had much more torque.
    Recently added trim tabs and told my wife that's it, no more things to add.
    What exactly is a keel guard, should I think about more electronics, what about...........
     I live near Bremerton, Wa if you want to take it out for a spin.
                                                                                        Rifleman
So you are happy with the 115 then planes and cruised better?

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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Repower
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 09:58:38 PM »
I put a new Yammie 115  on my SR19 in 2012 plus a 9.9 HT Yammie kicker.  The main is amazing for that boat and gets an amazing 5 mpg!
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9

Offline Rifleman

Re: Repower
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 09:59:06 PM »
   The 115 made it into a much better boat. Very happy with it.   Rifleman

Offline wedocq

Re: Repower
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 09:59:47 PM »
I would consider the Suzuki df115A. Very nice motor! Bruce2fish has it and has been getting 5-7 mpg if I remember right. I know he has been completely happy with that motor!
-Shawn
2002 21' Arima Sea Ranger HT  Suzuki DF175 4-stroke.
WEDOCQ= WE DO SEKIU! It pays homage to my Uncle Jay who died of cancer.

Offline Sean

Re: Repower
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 10:26:28 PM »
Awesome thanks guys.

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Offline rockhill

Re: Repower
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 10:41:23 PM »
I would also consider the Suzuki DF140. 410 pounds.
2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

Offline Threeweight

Re: Repower
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 11:02:04 PM »
Suzuki DF140.  Best power to weight ratio in a 4 stroke in that class, and a superb motor.

But... why do you think the 90 is under powered?  Have you tried a different prop?  A good 4 blade prop will do wonders for how quickly an Arima planes, and how it handles with a heavy load.  It's a lot cheaper than a new motor!
Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

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Offline Marine40

Re: Repower
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2017, 11:05:21 PM »
Try the 4 blade prop. That should save you about 12k.


Darren
Have -15' Hunter, Had - 2 each 17' Rangers, Had - 1 each 17 Skip Chaser, Had - 1 each 19' Skip Chaser, Have - 21' Skip Ranger.

Offline cohosalmon

Re: Repower
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2017, 11:47:10 PM »
I also have a F115 on my 19SR Skip with similar accessories as you. I am happy with this setup, love the fuel economy. Would consider a size larger when time comes, however.

Offline Markshoreline

Re: Repower
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2017, 10:55:19 AM »
If you put a 400 lb motor on the stern you'll appreciate trim tabs, especially when the tank is full!
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9

Offline blindmonkey

Re: Repower
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2017, 11:13:13 AM »
I would think a 90 would be marginal. I have one on my 17' and would not go that route with a 19 which would be another 500 lbs or so and more hull to push/plane
Lorne
2013 17' Sea Chaser, Honda 90, Yamaha F8
1994 Sea Explorer, Mercury 60, SOLD

Offline Danno

Re: Repower
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2017, 01:47:31 PM »
I would think a 90 would be marginal. I have one on my 17' and would not go that route with a 19 which would be another 500 lbs or so and more hull to push/plane


Think about the 17 & 19 hull designs. Everything from the front end of the gunwale forward and everything from the fish boxes back are the same. The difference is the extra two feet in the dance floor. That is no where near 500#. Maybe 100#.

As far as the 90 on the 19' SR, mine was not doggy at all. While I would not buy 90HP for a 19 SR hull that needed a motor, I certainly would have ever considered the 115HP as a necessary upgrade especially for the $5K to $6K it would cost to put it on there.

Previously owned a 1998 19' SR

Lures are designed to catch fishermen not fish.

Offline Markshoreline

Re: Repower
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2017, 04:58:31 PM »
 :yeahthat:
The 2 more feet of length provides more planing area and helps the boat get up on plane and rides better.
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9

Offline blindmonkey

Re: Repower
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2017, 05:09:07 PM »
Not to get into an argument over this however on Defiance website the 17' Chaser is listed at 1250 lbs hull weight and the 19' Sea Ranger at 1650 a difference of 400 lbs. that and a fuel tank that is 21 gallons larger and you will be 500 lbs easily heavier. Anyway yes you can change props however you will lose mph.  :twocents:
Lorne
2013 17' Sea Chaser, Honda 90, Yamaha F8
1994 Sea Explorer, Mercury 60, SOLD

Online Biggmo808

Re: Repower
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2017, 05:23:05 PM »
Not to get into an argument over this however on Defiance website the 17' Chaser is listed at 1250 lbs hull weight and the 19' Sea Ranger at 1650 a difference of 400 lbs. that and a fuel tank that is 21 gallons larger and you will be 500 lbs easily heavier. Anyway yes you can change props however you will lose mph.  :twocents:
Anyone ever try a 135 Honda on a 19 Ranger? Wonder if that would be a good combo?


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Offline ATGEP

Re: Repower
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2017, 07:07:20 PM »
The honda 135/150 are awesome motors. They are also 500Lbs.  I have a 135 on my 21ht and would swap to a 140 suzuki in 1 second. 100lbs on the transom makes a huge difference.

Offline Sparhawk

Re: Repower
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2017, 02:50:22 AM »
+1 for the zuki! They run well, get good fuel economy, and are all around nice engines.
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1983 Tiderunner 150 Cuddy
70 Horsepower Evinrude

Offline Markshoreline

Re: Repower
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2017, 10:02:29 AM »
The honda 135/150 are awesome motors. They are also 500Lbs.  I have a 135 on my 21ht and would swap to a 140 suzuki in 1 second. 100lbs on the transom makes a huge difference.
Yes it does!
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9

Offline BestBoats

Re: Repower
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2017, 05:40:45 PM »
I am running a 150etec on my 21. Just let me know if you have any questions about the motor. The 150etec would turn a 19' into a drag racing boat.
2007 21' Sea Ranger Hardtop "THE A-TEAM"
150 Evinrude Etec
9.9 Susuki EFI

Offline BruceL2_Fish

Re: Repower
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2017, 08:26:00 PM »
I have been running my Suzuki DF115A for four years.   Love it good power and fuel economy.  I went to Barkley Soumd in August.  We put in at Port Alberni and had to run 26 mile to the island we stayed at (can't remember how to spell it, something like Tzaersa or something).   Anyway had a heavy boat, three big guys, 220 to 250 lbs. food, ice, three cases of water.  Clothes sleeping bags, generator, fishing gear including 6 15lbs downrigger balls, halibut gear and weights etc.   on the way back we had 3 coolers full of fully iced fish. 
The 115 did not struggle getting on step and on those heavy runs from Port Alberni and back we still were getting 3.2mpg.  Daily fishing with three unloaded we were getting 4.8mpg average.
I think 3wt is right if you look at a 140, it would be the best, but my experience with the 115 on my 19 is very good pairing for the boat. 
2012 Sea Ranger 19 (M. LaDeane)
Suzuki 115 Four Stroke
Honda 9.9 Kicker

Offline Marine40

Re: Repower
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2017, 10:02:01 PM »
I am running a 150etec on my 21. Just let me know if you have any questions about the motor. The 150etec would turn a 19' into a drag racing boat.


These topics always go away from the what an Arima is used for to a Bass boat.
Have -15' Hunter, Had - 2 each 17' Rangers, Had - 1 each 17 Skip Chaser, Had - 1 each 19' Skip Chaser, Have - 21' Skip Ranger.

Offline BestBoats

Re: Repower
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2017, 06:37:09 PM »
I am running a 150etec on my 21. Just let me know if you have any questions about the motor. The 150etec would turn a 19' into a drag racing boat.


These topics always go away from the what an Arima is used for to a Bass boat.
He asked about the 150etec for it. I didn't say I would put one on a 19' but then again I have never heard a man say "this thing just has too much power...I wish I had less power"  :jester:
2007 21' Sea Ranger Hardtop "THE A-TEAM"
150 Evinrude Etec
9.9 Susuki EFI

Offline gfakkema

Re: Repower
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2017, 07:05:16 PM »
I've used this on AO before, and I'm sure it won't be the last time...

2001 22' Sea Legend HT w/Alaskan Bulkhead
2006 Suzuki DF250 / 2004 Mercury 9.9

Online Yachter Yat

Re: Repower
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2017, 05:21:52 AM »
   Horsepower?  I'd rather have torque.  Remember:  Torque is something you feel........horsepower is something you brag about.  :jester:

Yat
Dear Arima:  Stretch the Hunter platform by 5. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline SeaPacer

Re: Repower
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2017, 08:40:48 AM »
   Horsepower?  I'd rather have torque.  Remember:  Torque is something you feel........horsepower is something you brag about.  :jester:

Yat
They don't list torque for outboards. Best to look at displacement for a indication.


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Offline GregE

Re: Repower
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2017, 09:28:37 AM »
Not to get into an argument over this however on Defiance website the 17' Chaser is listed at 1250 lbs hull weight and the 19' Sea Ranger at 1650 a difference of 400 lbs. that and a fuel tank that is 21 gallons larger and you will be 500 lbs easily heavier. Anyway yes you can change props however you will lose mph.  :twocents:

The weight difference isn't just the 2 feet- Chaser has no V berth, the Ranger has a more cuddy
Greg
Osprey 26 LC Kodak;  Arima SR 19 HT; SL 22 Honda 225
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Sold:  Arima SE 16 WeeBait; SH 15 WeeBoat;
SR 21 NoBait;  SL 22 ReBait

Offline Mcneilcab

Re: Repower
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2017, 09:33:26 AM »
 I have a 19ft hardtop with an AK bulkhead. It has twin 50hp honda's on it. I feel it's underpowered or maybe also proper incorrectly propped. I'm getting around  25 mph at 5500 rpm. I cruise at 20-21 @ 4000 rpm. This is with full tank and a two people with gear. Having said that it sure trolls nice on 1 engine and seems to be very economical to run.
1994 SR19HT W/TWIN 50s
1998 SEA LEGEND HT  W/TWIN 90s