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Offline Sean

Heat
« on: September 19, 2017, 07:26:28 PM »
What's the best way to heat 19ft ranger (canvass top) for the wife? I'm thinking electric will draw slot from the batteries, but propane will emit CO2. Wondering what others do?

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Offline lloyds

Re: Heat
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 07:40:02 PM »
wallas 1300 forced air. 


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Re: Heat
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2017, 07:50:53 PM »
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Offline Tom Mac

Re: Heat
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 07:59:44 PM »
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Offline Fishin Machine

Re: Heat
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2017, 08:56:36 PM »
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Heat
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2017, 11:32:42 PM »
Little Buddy costs about $100 and uses disposable propane bottles or you can attach an adapter hose and use a 5 gallon refillable tank. There's quite a bit of air loss with the canvas and even in Alaskan Hard Tops so it stays warm, but the downside is there can be fogging of the windows if not enough ventilation.
If you go with a Little Buddy you'll need to disassemble the unit and rewire so the tip switch is no longer in the system.  The boat pitching will shut off the unit because it thinks it tipped over.  It works well to mount two screws into the cuddy door to keep the Buddy on it's feet.
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Offline Sean

Re: Heat
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 07:52:58 AM »
Jacket?

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Ha! That was my first answer.

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Offline Sean

Re: Heat
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 07:53:44 AM »
Little Buddy costs about $100 and uses disposable propane bottles or you can attach an adapter hose and use a 5 gallon refillable tank. There's quite a bit of air loss with the canvas and even in Alaskan Hard Tops so it stays warm, but the downside is there can be fogging of the windows if not enough ventilation.
If you go with a Little Buddy you'll need to disassemble the unit and rewire so the tip switch is no longer in the system.  The boat pitching will shut off the unit because it thinks it tipped over.  It works well to mount two screws into the cuddy door to keep the Buddy on it's feet.
Thank you!

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Offline gfakkema

Re: Heat
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 08:21:50 AM »
Just remember that any heater that uses hydrocarbons is going to emit CO, CO2 AND H2O. The CO/CO2 could be deadly, but the H2O is going to fog up windows and cause condensation in the cabin unless you have a way to vent the exhaust. This is especially important in pilot house designs. Just something to keep in mind. The best route IMO, is to get a forced air unit that is exhausted out of the cabin. The downside is those units are pricey.
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Online GregE

Re: Heat
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 08:30:44 AM »
Carbon Monoxide = CO, colorless, odorless heavier than air

CO2 is also but it doesn't override O2 in your body

As mentioned, a rag top is not air tight and with a little ventilation opening you'll be fine.

Buddy heaters come in many sizes,  I bought one last year that is the same as one I already had.....  Still in the box if someone needs it.
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Heat
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 02:14:09 PM »
gfakkema is correct, a forced air model is much more desirable and avoids the fogging and risk of fumes.  Also was correct about the cost and then there's the challenge of finding how to plumb and fit it in a small boat.  One of our members ak-angler added a Webasto heater to his 17 because he wanted to stay warm when going hunting in Alaska by boat.  His write up is here but unfortunately the pics have not survived.
http://www.arimaowners.com/index.php?topic=8097.msg92664#msg92664
If I was going to spend as much time as AK does in my boat in the Alaskan winter I'd do that job.  For around here, on the infrequent occasions when the wife wants a little heat I just use the Buddy and vent the cabin.
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Re: Heat
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 11:33:52 AM »
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Re: Heat
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 02:53:20 AM »
I am happy with my little electric space heater. Heats up my 15x15 office in maybe 15 minutes. Comes on once every 20 minutes for about 20 seconds to keep it at temperature. I will post the make and model later. Can't remember off the top of my head.
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Offline Tunacious

Re: Heat
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2017, 11:09:09 AM »
I have put myself through trying to find a good heater option for my boat several times and always gave up because the options were just not what I was looking for.
Last week I stopped at a garage sale and found this little item for $5.00 
I haven't had the time to research it yet to see if it is something that would work but for $5.00 I couldn't pass it up.

I have never seen one before and I'm not sure Coleman still makes them like this.

Its a Coleman adjustable catalytic heater that runs on coleman fuel.

Its adjustable from 3,000 to 5,000 BTU.

This item looks old but has never been used.

The manual and warranty information has graphics that I would guess is from the sixties.

Honestly I'm not sure yet what a catalytic heater would be like in a boat or if its even safe.

The directions do say to keep the area vented.

I'm sure there are other catalytic heaters sold today that are more updated.

Just couldn't pass it up for $5.00

Interested in what others say about catalytic heaters.







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Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Heat
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2017, 11:19:40 AM »
Great buy. That thing looks unused ! Like brand new.

I have used those catalytic heaters many times while camping. Not sure about the safety on a boat ??? 

You fill the tank with “white gas” (flammable and explosive) with a little aluminum funnel (provided in the box) turn the heater upside down to wet the head. Then light it and stand back. You will get a good sized flame until the element gets hot enough to glow. You put the heater out with the aluminum bowl shaped thing over the head.

There is actually a “Coleman Collectors Forum”.    http://www.colemancollectorsforum.com/post?How-To-Clean-Coleman-Catalytic-Heater-Heads-5042178
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Offline ATGEP

Re: Heat
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2017, 12:08:35 PM »
I have a forced air diesel heater and couldn't be happier. It was a lot of $ to get it setup but it is safe, and produces any amount of dry heat I want .  I am looking forward to winter blackmouth and halibut already.

Offline Hydro-Therapy

Re: Heat
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2017, 12:24:33 PM »


  Buddy heaters are now on sale at Bi Mart for $70.
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Re: Heat
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2017, 08:58:44 PM »
I still have my catalytic heater.
I used it every Winter on my last boat (1959 Skagit Offshore 20’er).
Worked like a charm. 
On the plus side you can wrap a piece of sheet metal around the outside and up about 4” above the top of the doe.put on a pot of hot water for fresh hot drinks or soup.

I have a Big Buddy heater now but I just may go back to using my Coleman at some point...🤷🏻‍♂️
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Heat
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2017, 09:52:31 PM »
I think the Coleman and Buddy heaters have the same flame and risk, just different fuel sources.
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Offline Hunter

Re: Heat
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2017, 01:25:38 PM »
We don't have the SL22 anymore although it did have a Wallas kerosene heater with offboard ventilation.   On the replacement tin can we have an Espar D4 diesel unit that is the cats pajamas.   Not only does the vented system NOT create moisture......but it actually dries the air.   They are "spensive" but  nice to have and super efficient.    My guess is that we have about 20 hours on our heater so far and it's used less than a gallon of diesel out of the 2.5 gallon tank.    We also have the adjustable louvered heater vents placed up on the dash so they serve double duty as a heater and a windshield defroster.   We're actually really looking forward to this winter....blackmouth, clams, oysters and winter crab.   

On a cold day I can climb aboard and turn the heater on as soon as I get to the ramp and then by the time I get the straps off, launched, truck parked and back the boat...the cabin is warming up nicely and the windshields are defogged.   





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Re: Heat
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2017, 01:32:00 PM »
I think the Coleman and Buddy heaters have the same flame and risk, just different fuel sources.

Actually no they don’t...
You really want to start the Coleman before you leave shore as it puts out a pretty good flame for about 15 min. and the breezes will blow it around quite a bit before the glow of the dome takes over.
Also...it will not go out if you tip it over.  Just continues to burn...could be a disaster if you don’t notice it.
But...it would take one hell of a wave to rock the boat that much!
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Re: Heat
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2017, 08:56:40 PM »
Here's some photos of the one I use. It is an InterTek Pro Fusion ceramic heater. One of the reasons I like it is that is a 2 setting heater, a 750W setting and a 1500W setting. About 120 volts. The feature I think you will like is the "auto-off" feature. Basically that little circle on the bottom is a mechanical sensor and only allows it to be turned on if the sensor is pushed in all the way. Then if you have the heater on and you get hit by a big wave and the heater tips over, it will turn off. Then when you put it back upright it will turn back on. t also allows you to select the temperature and it will heat it up to that temp then turn off, then back on when it gets about 3 degrees colder than the set temperature.
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Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Heat
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2017, 09:46:37 PM »
I think the Coleman and Buddy heaters have the same flame and risk, just different fuel sources.

Actually no they don’t...
You really want to start the Coleman before you leave shore as it puts out a pretty good flame for about 15 min. and the breezes will blow it around quite a bit before the glow of the dome takes over.
Also...it will not go out if you tip it over.  Just continues to burn...could be a disaster if you don’t notice it.
But...it would take one hell of a wave to rock the boat that much!

I vote for leaving the Coleman heater at the dock.
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Offline gfakkema

Re: Heat
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2017, 10:31:20 PM »
We don't have the SL22 anymore although it did have a Wallas kerosene heater with offboard ventilation.

Still going strong too Hunter. Although not as good as your system with the window defrost venting, it does a decent job of keeping the cabin warm and dry. We don't really use the cook top, so if I had to do it again, I would definitely lean toward the webasto/espar with ducting on the dash.

Here's some photos of the one I use. It is an InterTek Pro Fusion ceramic heater. One of the reasons I like it is that is a 2 setting heater, a 750W setting and a 1500W setting. About 120 volts. The feature I think you will like is the "auto-off" feature. Basically that little circle on the bottom is a mechanical sensor and only allows it to be turned on if the sensor is pushed in all the way. Then if you have the heater on and you get hit by a big wave and the heater tips over, it will turn off. Then when you put it back upright it will turn back on. t also allows you to select the temperature and it will heat it up to that temp then turn off, then back on when it gets about 3 degrees colder than the set temperature.
Apparently my files are too big. Here is a link to them. https://photos.app.goo.gl/MyNOCu3MxJVzAAZi2

Are you just running this on shore power or out on the water as well? Just curious if you run this off of an inverter or not as that could drain a battery pretty quick depending on conditions. Electric heaters aren't nearly as efficient as their combustion counterparts, but you do get the benefit of a "dry" heat. That being said, I leave a small electric heater in the cabin while the boat is in the shop during the winter to get rid of any moisture and to prevent freezing. Speaking of, probably about time to bust it out.
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Offline lloyds

Re: Heat
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2017, 08:05:40 PM »
markshoreline:  How did you disassemble. I couldn't see any easy way into mine?



Offline Markshoreline

Re: Heat
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2017, 08:09:42 PM »
I did mine 6 or 7 years ago and only remember that it was a royal pita.  However, it is possible given a large enough screwdriver and plenty of beer.  Maybe have a buddy over to help drink the beer and offer opinions?
The bypass is easy, just clip the wires to the tip switch and connect without the switch.
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Re: Heat
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2017, 10:17:23 PM »
We don't have the SL22 anymore although it did have a Wallas kerosene heater with offboard ventilation.

Still going strong too Hunter. Although not as good as your system with the window defrost venting, it does a decent job of keeping the cabin warm and dry. We don't really use the cook top, so if I had to do it again, I would definitely lean toward the webasto/espar with ducting on the dash.

Here's some photos of the one I use. It is an InterTek Pro Fusion ceramic heater. One of the reasons I like it is that is a 2 setting heater, a 750W setting and a 1500W setting. About 120 volts. The feature I think you will like is the "auto-off" feature. Basically that little circle on the bottom is a mechanical sensor and only allows it to be turned on if the sensor is pushed in all the way. Then if you have the heater on and you get hit by a big wave and the heater tips over, it will turn off. Then when you put it back upright it will turn back on. t also allows you to select the temperature and it will heat it up to that temp then turn off, then back on when it gets about 3 degrees colder than the set temperature.
Apparently my files are too big. Here is a link to them. https://photos.app.goo.gl/MyNOCu3MxJVzAAZi2

Are you just running this on shore power or out on the water as well? Just curious if you run this off of an inverter or not as that could drain a battery pretty quick depending on conditions. Electric heaters aren't nearly as efficient as their combustion counterparts, but you do get the benefit of a "dry" heat. That being said, I leave a small electric heater in the cabin while the boat is in the shop during the winter to get rid of any moisture and to prevent freezing. Speaking of, probably about time to bust it out.
I pretty much never use it, only if we have been fishing and our hands are super numb. I just plug it in inside the cuddy (super small cuddy) and it takes maybe a minute to heat up to 70 degrees. Then I plug it and let the heat hang out in there.
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Offline Diablo

Re: Heat
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2017, 10:46:04 AM »
markshoreline:  How did you disassemble. I couldn't see any easy way into mine?

I picked up a Little Buddy at Outdoor Emporium a couple days ago. FYI $65 for members. I also saw Cabelas has them for $49 refurbished, mail order only.
I liked Mark’s suggestion to disable the tip over switch so I did it yesterday. I’ll post the parts diagram below. Here is how I did it.
Remove the propane bottle.
Remove 4 screws for the “Caution hot” ring.
Remove 6 screws in handle and bottom of the case.
Remove 2 screws under the sticker by the buttons and under the sticker on the opposite side. You can’t see these screw holes, you need to feel them under the stickers then poke through the sticker.
You can remove one side now.
Remove the start button, it just pulls off.
Remove 2 screws inside holding the start button. The other side should come off now.
Look for the ‘Tip over switch’ #17. The Sw is normally closed and opens when tipped over.
Remove the 2 wires. You need to connect the wires together. I did that with a piece of 14 gage copper wire, then I taped it up.
Put it back together opposite what you just did and test.
Realize you are defeating a major safety feature. If you use the heater for more than your boat you could add a tip over override switch on the out side of the case. Wish I thought of that when I was doing it. Good luck.





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Re: Heat
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2017, 05:28:38 PM »
I vote for leaving the Coleman heater at the dock.

Me to... vapors from Coleman liquid white gas are just as volatile as gasoline.  Watched a guy try and "jump start" a campfire with about a half cup of it it against my advice.  His eyebrows took about 4 months to grow back.
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Heat
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2017, 06:03:16 PM »
I have a Buddy, not the Little Buddy model.  However, I'm sure the tip switch is similar and in the same circuit. Just one wire in and one wire out of the device so as Diablo mentioned, just disconnect and join them together, maybe have to use an extra piece of wire as a splice.
Here's the current model which is different cosmetically from the version I have.
http://www.mrheater.com/portable-buddy-heater.html   
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Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Heat
« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2017, 06:05:21 PM »
I vote for leaving the Coleman heater at the dock.

Me to... vapors from Coleman liquid white gas are just as volatile as gasoline.  Watched a guy try and "jump start" a campfire with about a half cup of it it against my advice.  His eyebrows took about 4 months to grow back.

🤣. I hate it when that happens.
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Re: Heat
« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2017, 06:10:50 PM »
What?  Growing back hair?
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Offline Diablo

Re: Heat
« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2017, 07:11:25 PM »
I have a Buddy, not the Little Buddy model.  However, I'm sure the tip switch is similar and in the same circuit. Just one wire in and one wire out of the device so as Diablo mentioned, just disconnect and join them together, maybe have to use an extra piece of wire as a splice.
Here's the current model which is different cosmetically from the version I have.
http://www.mrheater.com/portable-buddy-heater.html

The Buddy looked like over kill for my 19. Now if I had a huge 21 I could see the need.  :biggrin:
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Re: Heat
« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2017, 08:17:14 PM »
I’m still trying to figure out how to get the big buddy apart so I can get at that tilt switch...
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Heat
« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2017, 08:23:20 PM »
Yes, disassembly is the challenge but you'll figure it out.

The regular buddy has tabs on the back that you can attach to strategically placed screw heads in the cuddy door.  Keeps everything on the up and up.
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Re: Heat
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2017, 12:59:15 PM »
Yes, disassembly is the challenge but you'll figure it out.

The regular buddy has tabs on the back that you can attach to strategically placed screw heads in the cuddy door.  Keeps everything on the up and up.

After numerous attempts I’m giving up and going back to my trusty Coleman....
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Offline Markshoreline

Re: Heat
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2017, 02:17:25 PM »
SK bring your Buddy down here and we’ll drink beer until we get her fixed!  Sounds like propane is safer...
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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2017, 08:25:13 PM »
SK bring your Buddy down here and we’ll drink beer until we get her fixed!  Sounds like propane is safer...

I’ll give you a call...
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Heat
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2017, 06:23:34 PM »
We had a wabasto furnace installed in our sea legend. It vents to the outside, so it's safe, has three heat vents, one on the windshield, one on the first mate and one in the cuddy, and will drive you out if up high. Very happy with it so far. I can hold 75 degrees with the door open
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