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Offline DevMah

DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« on: September 16, 2017, 10:17:59 PM »
All
I decided to make my own kicker steering, works like a charm.
I have it on a illuminated 3 way switch but soon it will also be controlled by my Itroll.... this week...stay tuned..


Dev
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 12:10:29 AM by DevMah »
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 10:22:08 PM »
Hydraulic  Steering Parts
 Cylinder to kicker parts
1 length of 316 SS threaded rod 3/8" UNC (McMaster Carr part #) 95412A327
1 Rod end 3/8"unc 24  2434K51
2 pcs rod eyes 2/3" UNC 24stainless 59915K44
4 pcs  nuts 3/8" UNC  94805A217
2 shoulder screws 97345A243
2 nylock 1/4" 20 UNC  90715A125
1 pc 6" X 6" 0.075" stainless steel sheet 5359T161
1 pc stainless "U" bolt  29605T43  If using U bolt mount cylinder

Hydraulic cylinder
1 Bimba 500 configured part # H-0912-DZQ (U bolt mount) 0r H-0912DBZQ (direct mount) double acting (500 psi hydraulic) ((or equivalent))
 

Cylinder information
Bore -1. 1/16"
Stroke -12"
Mounting -Front nose or Block
Rod extension- Standard
Extension Length- 0
Port Locations- side
Hydraulic hoses
6" 1/4' 350WP push on hydraulic hose
2 pcs 7/16"-20 (SAE-4) male to male barb push on barb connector 1/4" hose (350 psi)
2 pcs  3/8" NPT male to male barb push on barb connector 1/4" hose (350 psi)
Hydraulic pump unit
Parker Oildyne 165 series double acting or equlivilant.
165AYS32-PLB-1H-04-04-Y
Motor-12V perm mag
Pump-standard temp
Pump Size- 2.9 l/min
Tank size 1/4 gal
Circuit type- Reverse locking
Ports-7/16"-20 (SAE-4)
Up relief setting((HPRV))-400 psi ((tuned down to 300 psi))
Down relief setting ((LPRV))-400psi ((tuned down to 300 psi))
 

Control relay
Cole Hersee Motor Reversing Intermittent Duty DPDT Solenoid 12V - 24450-BX ((or equivalent many knock off on ebay))
 

Illuminated rocker switch 
Toggle switch Mom. on-off-Mom. on -Seadog  420259 0r 420259-1
 
I labeled #1 and #3 connections on the Cole Hersee diagram.
System runs at about 30A intermit so the wires/fusing have to be determined by the installer.      



2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline Hydroman

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 10:39:19 PM »
Dev,

I fabricated two cylinders out of schedule 80 PVC pipe and made pistons with "0" rings and 1/4" SS rod.  I connected one cylinder to main engine as master cylinder and other to kicker as slave,  connected the with plastic tubing. (no pump required)  Never completed the project before I upgrade to current boat.

Some day I will get back on that project.

Jim
17 Sea Chaser (sold)
21 Skip Tower (sold)
27 Thunder Jet OS

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 10:46:58 PM »
Detailed Parts and drawing list..
Dev
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 10:55:22 PM »
Dev,

I fabricated two cylinders out of schedule 80 PVC pipe and made pistons with "0" rings and 1/4" SS rod.  I connected one cylinder to main engine as master cylinder and other to kicker as slave,  connected the with plastic tubing. (no pump required)  Never completed the project before I upgrade to current boat.

Some day I will get back on that project.

Jim

Cool...would have been nice to see how it worked...Maybe you could post the details.


FYI
Lock to lock speed approx 6-7 seconds. Center to either side approx 3-3.5 seconds.
I also changed the cylinder rod eye and connections to the items on the list.. I used a older picture I took while as I was waiting for the stainless parts to arrive.
Dev
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 12:45:16 AM by DevMah »
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 11:15:20 PM »
For some reason I cant upload docx files so its dropping the pics..

Cylinder
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline Hydroman

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 11:16:33 PM »
Dev,

Forgot to mention that I did have the Goetz electric/hydraulic for my kicker on my 21 SR Skip Tower. My control was hard wired with a spring loaded toggle switch.  looked almost like your setup.

Jim
17 Sea Chaser (sold)
21 Skip Tower (sold)
27 Thunder Jet OS

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2017, 11:18:32 PM »
Pump schematic from Parker Brochure.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 12:11:32 AM by DevMah »
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2017, 11:20:58 PM »
Control Relay
Please use appropriate wire and fusing (not shown)
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 12:33:02 AM by DevMah »
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2017, 11:22:41 PM »
Toggle switch
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline DevMah

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 11:42:37 PM »
Dev,

Forgot to mention that I did have the Goetz electric/hydraulic for my kicker on my 21 SR Skip Tower. My control was hard wired with a spring loaded toggle switch.  looked almost like your setup.

Jim

Ok...
At first I was going to use a tie rod..but i still could not control the speed unless I reached out back.
So I ordered the Itroll a while back its been sitting at home so I finally decided to install it... then I decided to use the steering feature also.
At first I tried small tire compressor and air cylinder... The compressed air was a nightmare to control, I tried using small air solenoids to switch cylinder direction...very inconsistent...
Then I went hydraulic..
I was going to use a single acting pump and valves, but after my compressed air fiasco I wanted to just make it simple...

This is just a double acting pump and cylinder system...Parker hydraulics has all the info in their pump brochure...I took the info and ran with it...as you can see the schematic on my #7 post.
I did not want to run big wires to the front so I installed a reversing relay close to the pump, the illuminated toggle switch has less than 1 amp on it to switch from left to right. I'm going to cut it into the dash (when pushed down it lights up red or orange depending on what side you toggle it ). Parker had a system to reverse using 4 large solenoids in the brochure (page 18) shown below..I just simplified it using a reversing solenoid. (Shown in post #6)


Link below for the Parker pumps...

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwjvzc3YzqvWAhWmrFQKHeZNAKcQFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hydraulicindustrial.com%2Fparker%2Fcatalogs%2Fparkercatalog_Oildyne-108-165-550.pdf&usg=AFQjCNG5y8YF0nWRFHqiP0zrk19I3zYIJQ


Dev
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 01:17:33 PM by DevMah »
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline Tom Mac

Re: DIY Hydraulic Kicker steering
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 04:40:15 PM »
That's a great job you did there, very nice. With that much R and D it should be marketed! I have drawn up on a napkin a push pull from the main with a cable but finding time to gather up all the parts and putting it to gather would eat up to much fishing time!
1991 Sea Ranger 17, 2014 F90 Yamaha, 2008 T8 Yamaha