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Offline Dhil12

Garmin radome
« on: July 16, 2017, 05:14:16 PM »
Is the new Garmin fantom radar dome worth the extra cost of the xhd dome? I have decided I want to get the 24 inch but I dont know the difference between the fantom and the xhd other than less power consumption and doppler. Does that equate to being worth the extra money? Thanks

Darrell
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Online Markshoreline

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 05:58:30 PM »
I have the 18xhd and it is great.  Sorry don't know about the other improvements.
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 06:05:46 PM »
Thanks Markshoreline. I'm set to get the xhd, but wondering the differences, and if it's really worth the extra money to step up to the fantom.
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Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 07:27:45 PM »
Tiimely.  I'll taq onto your search and help look for your answer.

Looking for radar info for the SL 22 Skip.  So I need to figure the slope needed to mount the dome so the scan hits out front properly.

Additionally, I have 10' 8" opening to the shop bay and the  skip top rear is 10' 1".  there is a 4" GPS antennae also but the top slopes lower forward.  SO, I need a very flat radome that can be mounted forward on a small wedge to set the angle.  A mount that allow the radome to flip forward may be required otherwise.  Who Dat makes one.
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 07:38:28 PM »
Greg feel free to tap in. I love your new boat. I saw it for sale. We are going with the rocket launcher on a hard top. Thinking about the angle/saftey of it or if I need to change the angle. Still interested about the fantom radar if its really  worth the extra money over the xhd. Are you coming back to a SL or going to be a two boat owner?
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2017, 07:44:16 PM »
I know nothing, but what about a front/ flat mount with spacers for angle on the skip top?
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Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 07:55:18 PM »
We run the Garmin Fantom 18 radome on the new boat.    The thing that really sold me on the upgrade was the Motion Scope technology.  It basically shows any target and also shows a "ghost" trail so that you can not only see the target but also see the trail and immediately identify the direction that the target is moving.   It also automatically assesses the threat level of targets and color codes them for you based on the detected target heading and your current heading.

I still recommend that you talk with Gil at Semperfi...   He's a darn nice guy and a wealth of info   


http://www.thehulltruth.com/semperfifishing-marine-electronics-transducer-sales-135/   

   
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 08:00:47 PM »
Thanks Hunter. do you see any advantage other than the motion scope which is a huge advantage? any other differences?
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Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 07:33:38 AM »
If you can afford it I would get the latest technology. The ghost feature is just another added safety measure.   :twocents:
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Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 10:32:30 AM »
Thanks Hunter. do you see any advantage other than the motion scope which is a huge advantage? any other differences?

Thanks Hunter. do you see any advantage other than the motion scope which is a huge advantage? any other differences?
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Probably not a lot that would be readily apparent..... but then I've never used or been on board with an 18xhd...   The other things that I really liked after talking with Gil was that the Fantom is solid state and the xhd is not.   Also, the Fantom is instant on with no "warm-up" and utilizes a lot less power which is always a worthy consideration.    It also is supposed to have some enhanced bird location tech that I haven't really played with yet'

For me....the echo trails and the colored target threat identification the solid state and the low power consumption were the triggers that made it all worth the extra $350.. 
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 10:51:22 AM »
I did ask the difference about the xhd and the fantom on the hull truth site, and Gil answered saying the fantom is superior for navigation and safety. I do like it for the same reasons you stated. Thanks
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Online GregE

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 12:21:58 PM »
Good info-  thanks for letting me read along. 
I've got SemperFiFishing bookmarked-  trying to phase in ( read $$ ) all the things I want/ need to upgrade.

We are multiple boat owners but want to slim the herd by several soon.

Greg
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2017, 03:29:00 PM »
Hunter, did you add the heading sensor for using MARPA? Sounds cool but with incoming targets a different color, and being able to set an alarm at any given distance, I dont know if it would be necessary,especially given an additional $600 for the sensor
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Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2017, 03:44:06 PM »
Nope.... did not add the sensor.    Added the Fusion stereo system instead.   
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Offline Hydroman

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2017, 04:05:30 PM »
Does the Fantom tracking replace the need for AIS?

Jim

Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2017, 04:36:59 PM »
Hunter, My thoughts exactly. Hydroman, being new, I'm not sure I will answer correctly, but AIS is different than doppler radar. The doppler radar used in the Garmin fantom radome will show boats coming at you in a different color than those standing still or going away from you. It will show anything coming at you faster than 5mph.The beauty is you see a threat and hopefully can avoid. The AIS is used to send your position in an emergency. Hopefully those with more experience will answer and give you the right answer, incase mine is wrong.

Darrell
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Offline First Cabin

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2017, 05:23:59 PM »
I have the 18xhd and AIS600.  The 18xhd works well, but I'd go with the Fantom just to have the latest solid state Doppler technology.

The AIS is great to have, but not as critical as radar because it is dependent on the other guy having AIS.  It is somewhat reassuring to know the big ships can see my mosquito ass on their screen though.

The radar is much more critical to have.  I've learned that the AIS location on the screen is not live.  There is quite a delay.  For example, while anchored on the Columbia and watching ships come up river, I noticed that I would be run over by the ship before the AIS position updated to my location.  Definitely something to remember!
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2017, 05:47:35 PM »
Thanks first cabin. I have already spoke with the dealer to upgrade to the fantom. I'm not concerned with the boats who have radar, I'm concerned of those who dont have radar and would like to see a threat coming at me on a foggy morning. The color code of boats coming at you along with a user settable distance alarm is a very nice feature
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Offline Hydroman

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2017, 06:05:46 PM »
I have both AIS receiver and radar, and they both have their own shortcomings.  The AIS has no value unless the other vessel had AIS transmitter and must be on.  It's not uncommon for commercial fishermen to have theirs turned off. It is also difficult to pickup signals of small vessels on radar unless they have radar deflectors.

There is best accident avoidance system still depends on the keen observation by the skipper.

A good example of a maritime collision involving a Navy vessel ocean going ship, both having the latest technology and ained skippers, collisions can still occur.

Be careful when you are on the water.

Jim
« Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 07:41:26 PM by Hydroman »

Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 06:09:39 PM »
Great advice Jim. Thanks!
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Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2017, 08:10:40 PM »
The AIS is used to send your position in an emergency.

Nope,  you're confusing the DCS red covered button function that you program with your boat ID, description, contact info etc.  It transmit digital burst info and all VHF radios built recently will get that info.  Coupled to your GPW ( or with built in GPS it will transmit your location.

Your AIS receiver function does not have a transmitter ( bigger bucks for that and it will be a separate unit )
« Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 08:14:57 PM by GregE »
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Offline Hydroman

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2017, 08:51:31 PM »
Greg,

AIS stands for Automatic Identification System, it is an automatic tracking system that can be displaced on your chart plotter and/or radar display.  The display the relative position on the vessel in you range of VHF range.  The icon also identified vessel name direction and speed.

All vessels 75' and larger are required to broadcast this data via od AIS transmitter.  I only have receiver on board of my TJOS.  It's a great tool when fishing where heavy marine traffic is present. Columbia River, Straits of Juan De Fuca.  At the time I purchase mine the receivers and necessary cabling was about $300 adding a transmitter was another $500.  They have come down in price since then.  I don't remember how often the position id undated, but it is near real time.  Distance traveled between transmissions is dependent of vessel speed.
 
I can see Columbia river traffic from my house for about a 10 mile range in
either direction.

Jim


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Offline BigMac

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2017, 08:56:32 PM »
Tiimely.  I'll taq onto your search and help look for your answer.

Looking for radar info for the SL 22 Skip.  So I need to figure the slope needed to mount the dome so the scan hits out front properly.

Additionally, I have 10' 8" opening to the shop bay and the  skip top rear is 10' 1".  there is a 4" GPS antennae also but the top slopes lower forward.  SO, I need a very flat radome that can be mounted forward on a small wedge to set the angle.  A mount that allow the radome to flip forward may be required otherwise.  Who Dat makes one.
In 2007 I had a similar problem that was solved (not cheaply) by installing a Sea View 5" pedestal and hinged mount for the 18" radome on my 22 SLHT.  In retrospect this might have been fabricated at less expense at a good welding shop.  You likely will also need a lay down all-around running/anchor light.
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Offline Dhil12

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2017, 09:07:06 PM »
You're right. I did get confused between AIS and DCS :doh: must be my add  :dance:
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Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Garmin radome
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2017, 09:35:53 PM »
TJOS ?

You could get one of those anchor lights that unplugs. Like on the smaller Arima's.
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