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Offline Dhil12

opinions on shore power requested
« on: June 28, 2017, 05:07:41 PM »
We are seriously considering covered moorage where shore power will be available. Is it worth the cost of wiring the boat for a shore power plug or simply use an extension cord. My use would be a heater/ dehumidifier and a battery tender for the two batteries. Thanks
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline gfakkema

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 05:29:15 PM »
Darrell, sorry we didnt make it work the other weekend. I wish I had a shore power option on mine, but it's always easier to spend other peoples money. Speaking of spending other peoples money, just out of curiosity, why did you decide to go with a 150hp?
2001 22' Sea Legend HT w/Alaskan Bulkhead
2006 Suzuki DF250 / 2004 Mercury 9.9

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 05:35:37 PM »
 Gregg, I was too.The dealer told me that is all that is needed for this boat. He said the 150 is a bullet proof motor and going up would only increase fuel consumption and cost. I dont know, what is your opinion?
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline ATGEP

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 08:32:12 PM »
You may want to reconsider the power if it is not too late.  I have a 21 with a Honda 135.  It takes about half power to make 20kts.  Max is just under 30kts.  If you are fully loaded, you will work the motor pretty hard to move. It is also extremely expensive to change your mind if you find out 150hp is not enough. your 100gal fuel tank adds up to 700lb to the boat. Shrimp gear is about 200lbs. Add people, water , Ice and you are now running 5500rpm to go 20 knots.  200 and 250 are pretty common on SL22's and a 300 would command a premium at resale.

Offline gfakkema

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2017, 10:22:27 PM »
You may want to reconsider the power if it is not too late.  I have a 21 with a Honda 135.  It takes about half power to make 20kts.  Max is just under 30kts.  If you are fully loaded, you will work the motor pretty hard to move. It is also extremely expensive to change your mind if you find out 150hp is not enough. your 100gal fuel tank adds up to 700lb to the boat. Shrimp gear is about 200lbs. Add people, water , Ice and you are now running 5500rpm to go 20 knots.  200 and 250 are pretty common on SL22's and a 300 would command a premium at resale.

 :yeahthat:

I'm a huge fan of maxing out horsepower. 300hp is a little much for a SL in my opinion, but anything less than 200hp will leave you wanting more. SL's are big, heavy boats. I think it really depends on what you want to do with the boat. If you really only plan on hitting the sound, I'd say 200hp is probably fine. If you plan on hitting big blue though, the added load and sea conditions will likely leave you wanting that extra power from a 250hp. 150hp will get the job done, but I can almost guarantee that you'll want more power when it's all said and done. I think my 250hp is just right, but needs some adjusting and a new prop. I'm busy the next few weeks/weekends, but you are more than welcome to come take mine for a test ride if we can make something work.
2001 22' Sea Legend HT w/Alaskan Bulkhead
2006 Suzuki DF250 / 2004 Mercury 9.9

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2017, 11:10:45 PM »
Thanks guys. Now you have me rethinking things. The dealer told me the 150 would be plenty, and I dont know anything. It may be too late because there was a rebate offered and he put a motor in y name to save me the money. I'll talk to him tomorrow. He's very reputable and trying to save me money on this purchase. Being retirered, we are pretty well taped out. I have no idea the difference in price a 250 would be, if I can even do it at this point.
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline Yachter Yat

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2017, 05:20:16 AM »
    Dhil;   Not many Arimas here in the East, but I actually did get to stand beside a 22 on one occasion.  It happened to be sitting on a trailer at a marina.  The others are correct with regard to the 150 being maginal.   Can't seem to recall what the power was on the one I saw, but IMO, that's a 250 HP boat.  Look for a motor with more displacement; you need torque with that baby. 

Yat   
Dear Arima:  Stretch the Hunter platform by 5. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline First Cabin

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2017, 10:11:07 AM »
We are seriously considering covered moorage where shore power will be available. Is it worth the cost of wiring the boat for a shore power plug or simply use an extension cord. My use would be a heater/ dehumidifier and a battery tender for the two batteries. Thanks

Yes!!!

Do it right the first time.  There are a lot of rules and regulations about electrical hookups in marinas.  I don't think you will be allowed to "simply use an extension cord" in most places.

First:  1982 15' SeaHunter, Yamaha 70 2-stroke, Yamaha F6
Second:  1987 17' SeaRanger, Merc 90 2-stroke, Yamaha F8
Current:  2002 17' SeaChaser, Yamaha F100, Yamaha T8

Offline Vancouvertechie

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2017, 10:22:07 AM »
We are seriously considering covered moorage where shore power will be available. Is it worth the cost of wiring the boat for a shore power plug or simply use an extension cord. My use would be a heater/ dehumidifier and a battery tender for the two batteries. Thanks

Yes!!!

Do it right the first time.  There are a lot of rules and regulations about electrical hookups in marinas.  I don't think you will be allowed to "simply use an extension cord" in most places.

First Cabin is right.  Most harbor masters will inspect your power cord and if it is not to that particular marina's specifications they will remove it. 

VT
Boats owned:

2003 15' SeaHunter 50HP Suzuki (FI4Strk)
1991 16' SeaChaser 50HP Johnson (Keith)
1995 19' SeaRanger 115 Yamaha (FI4Strk)

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2017, 11:34:58 AM »
Thanks. Just got back from te dealership and the marina and you guys are right. The Port of Edmonds requires a shore power plug on the boat and one continuous cord. So they will install that for me.
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline GregE

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 12:56:24 PM »
Agree with both getting  Shorepower connected and 200 HP for the SL 22.  Unless you are never going off shore- but as stated most of us are and when you get ready to sell the buyer will probably balk at the 150.

Greg
Osprey 26 LC Kodak;  Arima SR 19 HT; SL 22 Honda 225
http://www.sagecreekforums.com/phpforum/index.php
Sold:  Arima SE 16 WeeBait; SH 15 WeeBoat;
SR 21 NoBait;  SL 22 ReBait

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2017, 01:32:37 PM »
Thanks GregE. I see that you had a Sea Legend. What motor did you have on it? If it was a 200, what was cruising speed and top speed? Thanks
Darrell
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline GregE

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 02:14:07 PM »
'05 Honda 200 carbed, top end with four on board was 37 on a flat water sea.  Never drove it there except to test RPM, fuel and speed numbers.

Cruise numbers were reported in the For Sale ad in 2012.  We normally ran around 4K RPM- a little more or less depending on waves.

http://www.arimaowners.com/index.php?topic=1010.msg8802#msg8802

We cleaned out the Arima and my fuel notes got buried until today.  Here's some recorded numbers from the Tach, GPS and Flowmaster guage.

RPM   MPH   GPH   MPG

6000   35__   18.5   1.89
5000   30__   15__   2
4200   24.5   10.5   2.33
4000   22.8    9__   2.53   
3600   18__    8__   2.25   

Most of our cruising ( weather/ waves permitting) was at 4000 or less as that is the most efficient speed. It tracks quite well with the Honda Performance Criterea chart- though it was from a different boat/ hull style

Greg
Osprey 26 LC Kodak;  Arima SR 19 HT; SL 22 Honda 225
http://www.sagecreekforums.com/phpforum/index.php
Sold:  Arima SE 16 WeeBait; SH 15 WeeBoat;
SR 21 NoBait;  SL 22 ReBait

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 02:26:43 PM »
Thanks GregE. Very much appreciated.
Darrell
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline ATGEP

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2017, 03:32:57 PM »
From the Honda 225 numbers.

RPM   MPH   GPH   MPG      output HP/%of power used.
6000   35__   18.5   1.89 =225hp 100%
5000   30__   15__   2
4200   24.5   10.5   2.33= 131hp 58%
4000   22.8    9__   2.53   109hp 48%
3600   18__    8__   2.25   

Using a calculator here is an estimate of the HP requirements. With a 150 you WILL have a very efficient 22mph boat. I would estimate 46-4800 rpm at 22mph if the boat is kept light and clean.  4 people,  full fishing gear and full fuel and you will have an entirely different ride.  None of this has anything to do with your shore power question  BTW.

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2017, 05:27:33 PM »
Thanks ATGEP. I really appreciate it. Now to make a decision.
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline GregE

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2017, 12:21:38 PM »
Found some more numbers-    2 of us with just fishing gear & AK bulkhead

I took some accurate fuel figures while we were in BC.  Converting knots to mph gives some impressive numbers.

Cruise at  4000 RPM       21.3 knots/ 24.5 mph at  8.6 gph.

                4200                23.8          27.4            10.2

                5200                33             38               16.5

With 106 gals that gives a potential 300 mile range.  Of course reserve fuel, load, weather and waves will reduce that.




« Last Edit: June 30, 2017, 01:03:42 PM by GregE »
Greg
Osprey 26 LC Kodak;  Arima SR 19 HT; SL 22 Honda 225
http://www.sagecreekforums.com/phpforum/index.php
Sold:  Arima SE 16 WeeBait; SH 15 WeeBoat;
SR 21 NoBait;  SL 22 ReBait

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2017, 12:43:30 PM »
Thanks GregE. You guys convinced me to go with the Yamaha 200. In talking to the dealer that motor gets about the same fuel mileage as the 150. Even though it only adds 3-5 mph, it has more low and midrange torque. Another great thought that you had was how most SL are equpped with either a 200 or a 250, so the 150 on it could hurt resale, or kill a sale. Just made the change with the dealer. Thanks again.
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline BruceL2_Fish

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2017, 12:52:33 PM »
You will have a sweet set up.  Those Sea Legions are awesome boats. 
2012 Sea Ranger 19 (M. LaDeane)
Suzuki 115 Four Stroke
Honda 9.9 Kicker

Offline gfakkema

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2017, 01:21:07 PM »
Darrell, you are not going to regret the power upgrade.

You will have a sweet set up.  Those Sea Legions are awesome boats. 

I think I like the sound of that... Sea Legion!
2001 22' Sea Legend HT w/Alaskan Bulkhead
2006 Suzuki DF250 / 2004 Mercury 9.9

Offline BruceL2_Fish

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2017, 01:36:15 PM »
Opps!
2012 Sea Ranger 19 (M. LaDeane)
Suzuki 115 Four Stroke
Honda 9.9 Kicker

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2017, 03:20:25 PM »
haha Bruce. Yes Greg I am very happy the more I think about it. The SL we are getting is about as heavy of an SL as you can get. Hard top, Alaskan bulkhead, dinette, galley, which also holds 14 gallons of freshwater (#10 seating plan), rocket launchers with 24 inch radar dome, Wabasco diesel heater, plus all the other gear. Add my son and his friends on a fishing trip, who are all 6'3"-6'4", 300 lbs and look like linebackers for the Seahawks. The 150 I think would have been overwhelmed. Thanks again everyone for all your thoughts and help! Much appreciated!!

Darrell
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline OnA

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2017, 04:12:27 PM »
If you weren't choosing covered moorage, then maybe consider solar to charge or maintain the batteries.  I installed a 30W panel on the hard top, with a dual battery controller.  Now I'm fully charged wherever the adventure leads me.

Offline GregE

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2017, 07:44:35 PM »
OnA,  Good idea on the solar charger.  We have one on the camping trailer that keeps the big 6 V systems topped up

How's the Honda doing?  Are the fuel numbers still about the same?
Greg
Osprey 26 LC Kodak;  Arima SR 19 HT; SL 22 Honda 225
http://www.sagecreekforums.com/phpforum/index.php
Sold:  Arima SE 16 WeeBait; SH 15 WeeBoat;
SR 21 NoBait;  SL 22 ReBait

Offline Dhil12

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2017, 10:57:01 PM »
OnA, yes that would be a great choice if we weren't going for covered moorage. we do want to get covered moorage.
Darrell
2018 Sea Legend ht with bulkhead
2018 Yamaha 200
9.9 yamaha kicker

Offline OnA

Re: opinions on shore power requested
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2017, 01:25:36 PM »

How's the Honda doing?  Are the fuel numbers still about the same?

At a glance, not quite as good as yours.  I need to stick those numbers in my back pocket and get some data this summer.