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Offline Croaker Stroker

Digital 529-VB question ?
« on: January 15, 2017, 01:46:10 PM »

I ordered one of those fancy new Black Digital antennas. I am thinking of what I need before it gets here.


What fitting did you use to go through the bulkhead.?  Did you have to cut the wire ?
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Chief of the Boat

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 02:34:18 PM »
From their website:
500 GOLD Series: 529-VW | 529-VB
##Mount: Standard 1"–14 threaded base
##Connector: Gold factory-attached mini-UHF female with mini-UHF male to UHF male (PL259) adapter
##Cable: Includes 20' of our low-loss, tinned braid, foil shielded, UV stable RG-8X marine
1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 02:52:13 PM »

What fitting do you use to pass the Mini UHF connector through the bulkhead ?

Blue Seas Cable Clam ?  If so, do you know the model number ?

...or is there a different fitting that is better ?


The PL-259 "male to male" adapter.....is that right ?  Wouldn't it be a "male to female" ? You would need a female to screw to the radio ?  (No comments from the peanut gallery)


« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 02:57:55 PM by Croaker Stroker »
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Kimbrey

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 03:13:21 PM »
« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 06:37:09 PM by Kimbrey »
2005 Sea Legend --Sold--replaced with 26' Duckworth

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2017, 03:27:03 PM »
OK looks like the smallest ID will work since the mini connector is only 3/8".

They state in bold letters not to coil the wire.  :shrug9:  what do you do with 20 feet of cable ??



Oh.....just saw another type...  https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Systems-Entry-CableClam/dp/B00GZOB3HY/ref=pd_sim_200_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00GZOB3HY&pd_rd_r=VF4AT77CJF3AMRR2YAC3&pd_rd_w=86JLn&pd_rd_wg=Av37w&psc=1&refRID=VF4AT77CJF3AMRR2YAC3
« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 03:42:52 PM by Croaker Stroker »
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Chief of the Boat

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2017, 03:41:03 PM »
This is the way I ran mine.   

The gold connector was connected to the antenna when I pulled it out of the box.

If I was going to drill a hole through the bulkhead I probably would of used one of these small stainless clams and fill it with silicone.


http://www.go2marine.com/product/27120F/sea-dog-clam-shell-midget-vents-stainless.html
1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2017, 03:59:09 PM »
Mine has that small stainless clam now.  Maybe I should just keep things simple and re-use it ??   :shrug9:


The website says each antenna is "tuned" and connector installed, so I am reluctant to cut the cable.  (Mixed opinions here)


« Last Edit: January 15, 2017, 04:07:54 PM by Croaker Stroker »
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Chief of the Boat

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2017, 04:35:21 PM »
I would use the clamshell and not cut the cable. 
1994 Sea Explorer 1511 loves whitecaps 2010 Yamaha F-70 2012 Yamaha F-8 with a  Fixed SaltBoss Bracket Lowrance HDS-5 & 7 Gen 2 Standard Horizon Fixed VHF 2150 with AIS

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2017, 05:54:17 PM »
ya. I agree. No cutting. Already tuned at the factory.  I have tuned my marine VHF antennas in the past. Clip, test, clip test..and so on until you get the highest meter reading. Takes a long time, clipping the cable  re-attaching the connector each time....but my radios always reached out farther compared to my other fishing buddy's. Many online posts say that matching the antenna doesn't matter for VHF, but my experience says it does matter.


1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline DevMah

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2017, 06:27:46 PM »
I used the Sea-Dog cable outlet

http://www.downwindmarine.com/images/P/90892621.jpg

I had to un-solder the cable pass through and re-solder .


Dev
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2017, 07:11:54 PM »
I dont think you have to unsolder the cable with the Blue Sea Cable Clam. (BSS-1001) the Digital mini-UHF connector is 3/8". 

For sure you don't need to unsolder with COB's method. Just drill a 3/8" (13/32"?) hole and cover with the Clam (facing down and back), then fill with silicone.

1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline DevMah

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2017, 09:01:06 PM »
Yes the blue seas there is no unsoldering it's just slightly larger.

Dev
2015 21' Sea Ranger
2015 Yamaha F150
2013 Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot 4 blade
2012 Lund 1650SS  w 2012 60HP Mercury-Sold

Offline Threeweight

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2017, 10:31:58 AM »
One of the reasons to buy Digital is their cable connector.  It is a gold plated system where the connector comes apart so you are only passing the socket (same diameter as the cable itself) through any holes.  Way, way better than trying to do a perfect job soldering an end back on.  This photo may help:



On my Arima, since the hole was way above the waterline I used a cheap plastic cable cover from West Marine:

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/t-h-marine--ceacap-conduit-bulkhead-passthru--P006_181_003_512

Digital's manual will tell you lay the excess cable randomly, rather than coil.  Coiling can cause some issues with signal clarity.
Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

“Never turn your back on fear. It should always be in front of you, like a thing that might have to be killed.”
       --- Hunter S. Thompson

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2017, 12:30:53 PM »
How did you lay your cable ?

Your cover is nice because there are no screw holes.  I bought the cheaper Blue Sea cover.  It's in the mail.   :shrug9:
« Last Edit: January 16, 2017, 12:49:34 PM by Croaker Stroker »
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Peddler

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2017, 01:40:38 PM »
Regarding NOT coiling the excess cable; I doubled mine back/fourth on itself in approximately 3-ft lengths where I had the room. 
Wishin' I was Fishin'

Offline Yachter Yat

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2017, 04:00:53 PM »
   I'm still thinking about what Croaker said regarding "tuning".  What does that mean?.......Antenna must be "tuned" to the length of the cable?  I've been using a Galaxy 5225 for years with the cable I cut to be as short as possible.  Seems to work okay, but what do I know?  Gonna have to do my homework again, I guess.

Yat
Dear Arima:  Please "square-off" the Hunter transom.  Make it like my old 77 Silverline.  Thank you.  Oh yeah...please hurry; I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline Danno

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2017, 04:11:51 PM »
There was a guy on ifish that would tune your cable to your antenna. Something about matching the length of the cable to the length of the antenna. I don't remember the specifics.
Previously owned a 1998 19' SR

Lures are designed to catch fishermen not fish.

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2017, 07:00:28 PM »

I understand it to be matching the length of the cable plus the antenna to the standing wave length of the radio using an "SWR" meter. 

I know. This is an over-simplified way to describe it.  :shrug9:

https://www.amazon.com/SWR-Power-METER-VHF-Radio/dp/B002KYE190%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-iphone-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB002KYE190
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Threeweight

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2017, 09:24:34 PM »
Best solution... don't cut the cable  :twocents:

I wound mine up into a kind of messy random figure 8 and stored it up in the cuddy.
Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

“Never turn your back on fear. It should always be in front of you, like a thing that might have to be killed.”
       --- Hunter S. Thompson

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2017, 11:16:33 PM »
Best solution... don't cut the cable  :twocents:

I wound mine up into a kind of messy random figure 8 and stored it up in the cuddy.

I think I'll try and duplicate your figure 8.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2017, 11:24:19 PM by Croaker Stroker »
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Yachter Yat

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2017, 05:38:08 AM »
   Might be interesting to see if an antenna could be ordered from the factory with a specific cable length. 

Yat
Dear Arima:  Please "square-off" the Hunter transom.  Make it like my old 77 Silverline.  Thank you.  Oh yeah...please hurry; I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2017, 11:30:51 AM »
   Might be interesting to see if an antenna could be ordered from the factory with a specific cable length. 

Yat


Didn't think of that.  :doh:  I should have asked. Sounds reasonable.


« Last Edit: January 17, 2017, 12:00:17 PM by Croaker Stroker »
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline Yachter Yat

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2017, 02:42:02 PM »
   See Croaker.............this is what you get when you don't clean your hands with lacquer thinner.  (ha) 

Yat
Dear Arima:  Please "square-off" the Hunter transom.  Make it like my old 77 Silverline.  Thank you.  Oh yeah...please hurry; I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Digital 529-VB question ?
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2017, 03:03:37 PM »


Yat, I knew there was a reason why I like you.
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."