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Offline rockhill

Shopping questions
« on: November 05, 2015, 09:23:27 AM »
Longtime lurker here.  I'm shopping for that perfect compromise boat.  That balance between function, form and economy.  It's tough.  I've looked at C-Dorys and Arimas almost exclusively.  They seem to fit that niche I'm looking for.  So far I'm leaning toward a 19' Sea Ranger Skip Tower with a DF140 mounted on a jack plate with trim tabs.  Tandem axle trailer with oil bath hubs.

Here are a few questions off the top of my head:

Are the new Arimas wired with marine grade wiring?
Much difference in fuel economy between the DF115 and DF140 at cruise and slower?
Jack plate.  I have one on my Kenai boat and think it's great.  Any reason not to get one?
Canvas for the skip tower.  Very expensive from Arima.  Worth it to go elsewhere?
Arima's website isn't the greatest for specs.  I'd be interested to know the dimensions of the cockpit.

That's all for now.  Thanks guys, Dave
2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

Offline Threeweight

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 11:14:11 AM »
Are you buying new or used?  The Suzi DF 115 and 140 are the same blocks, I think the 140 revs a little higher, and gets a little different fueling map and compression to squeeze out the extra power.  Re: fuel economy... they will be similar.  The latest models have the "a" designation (so DF140a or DF115a) and will have Suzuki's "lean burn" fuel injection system.  At mid-range RPM's, if the engine isn't under much of a load it will lean out the fuel air mixture to improve economy.  The system works really, really well.

Jack plate isn't necessary unless you just want to run a XL motor for some reason.  The Arima transom is designed for 20" shafts, and their sterns have plenty of buoyancy.  The only people I know of who have done it have done so because they found a screaming deal on a XL shaft motor.

Skip towers are the best top arrangement on an Arima, IMO.  I have a soft top on my 17', but if I were buying new and had a place to store it a skip tower would be a must-have.

I don't have 19' deck measurements off the top of my head.  The beam is 8' at it's widest, and it tapers slightly as it goes down (plus the thickness of the foam liner).  In comparison to a C-dory, it feels significantly wider.

Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

“Never turn your back on fear. It should always be in front of you, like a thing that might have to be killed.”
       --- Hunter S. Thompson

Offline rockhill

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 12:39:02 PM »
Thanks 3wt. I'd buy used if the right boat popped up.  I cringe at buying a new one especially after looking at the option sheet.  But a new boat would be nice so if a nice used one doesn't show up in the next month I'll be looking to make a deal on a new one.

I may be off base but the reasons for the jack plate are:

Possibility of trailering with the motor down. (I've got this wild idea about trailering to Alaska and running down the Yukon to the Koyukuk for a little moose hunting.  Lot easier on the boat/motor trailering in the down position.)
In shallow water you can run in the down position longer before trimming the motor up.
Last, you can run the powerhead higher with a following sea.

Anything else?


Im feeling pretty good about going with the DF140.
2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

Offline Peddler

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 01:05:50 PM »
Pricing on used Arima's doesn't seem to fluctuate much between Summer and Winter, they might just sit on the market a little bit longer in the off-season.  If the boat is priced "right," it'll sell fast, no matter the season.

Wishin' I was Fishin'

Offline headduck

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 01:41:58 PM »
My experience with the dory is that the fishing deck of the 19 is about the same as the Arima 17. The dory is a little lighter, which makes launch and tow a little easier but makes it a bit more slappy in chop. (Flatter bottom as well)

Trim tabs help with comfort and performance of both boats.

Personal preference is for Arima and if you are patient and quick, a decent buy can be found.

I liken the Arima to a jeep and the dory to a vanagon or wesfalia...the owners as well...one a bit sporty and diy, the other with sandals and socks...
1987 17' Sea Ranger 2015 Mercury 115 2012 Evinrude 9.8

Offline rockhill

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 01:47:51 PM »
"I liken the Arima to a jeep and the dory to a vanagon or wesfalia...the owners as well...one a bit sporty and diy, the other with sandals and socks..."

This cracked me up and clarified things for me as well.  It's settled, I'll be definitely getting an Arima!
2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

Offline GregE

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 01:49:53 PM »

one a bit sporty and diy, the other with sandals and socks...


Wow, I can see that illustration....




Greg
Osprey 26 LC Kodak;  Arima SR 19 HT; SL 22 Honda 225
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Sold:  Arima SE 16 WeeBait; SH 15 WeeBoat;
SR 21 NoBait;  SL 22 ReBait

Offline Peddler

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 03:36:25 PM »
:yeahthat:  LOL!! A perfect alliteration!  :clap:
Wishin' I was Fishin'

Offline Yachter Yat

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 04:07:47 PM »
Yes, you can tell the difference between the C-Dory owner and the Arima owner almost instantly.  The C-Dory owner is the one drinking tea and smoking a pipe.  He's also generally well-dressed and has a flat stomach.  Another giveaway is his choice of reading material; usually a classic novel.   

The Arima owner, on the other hand, is the one holding some sort of alcoholic beverage in one hand with either a cigarette or cigar in the other.  Attire is "informal", to say the least, and the waistline is almost always something most average-sized people would find difficult to get they're arms around.  Oh yeah.....I can't discuss the reading he generally gravitates to as this site would probably not allow any descriptions relating thereto. 

So, do you still want to join us?    :jester:

Yat,  Arima owner.
Dear Arima:  Please "square-off" the Hunter transom. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline Croaker Stroker

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2015, 04:11:02 PM »
After many, many boats, I have come to the conclusion that one of the most important considerations is that I dont have to fuss over washing or polishing after a fishing trip. All fibergalss. Stainless fittings. Just a quick rinse when I get home and....good to go.

I do like beer, but not while working or fishing. My stomach is not flat. And I don't get seasick. Smoking cigars or othersise is not allowed anywhere near me or my boat. (Reformed smoker)

I do wear socks and sandals.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 04:16:50 PM by Croaker Stroker »
1987 - 17' Sea Pacer - 2004 Evinrude 90 E-tec
15' Sea Sprinter - **SOLD**

"If a fish will, he will… if he won't, he won't… and that's about it… except… he may take this when he won't take that."

Offline First Cabin

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2015, 04:12:16 PM »
:yeahthat:  LOL!! A perfect alliteration!  :clap:

Agreed!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can see myself in a C-Dory, but I'm not willing to wear the socks and sandals. :jester:

As to your questions:

Are the new Arimas wired with marine grade wiring?   Don't know.  Probably not.  I complained about that as loudly as anyone, but the fact is I would have had to rewire the entire boat anyway because I added all the extras.....radar, radio, fish finders, down riggers, etc...  Face it, you're going to overload the system sooner or later, you may as well plan on rewiring everything anyway.

Much difference in fuel economy between the DF115 and DF140 at cruise and slower?  If the motors are the same weight, I'd go with more horsepower, but my reasoning for that is I'd be 30 miles off shore in bad weather with a full load....  Really depends on how you intend to use it.

Jack plate.  I have one on my Kenai boat and think it's great.  Any reason not to get one?  Cost and weight.  Your reasoning is sound though.  If it is important to you, I agree.

Canvas for the skip tower.  Very expensive from Arima.  Worth it to go elsewhere?  Depends on how good the aftermarket is.  My Arima OEM canvas is 14 years old now and still in good shape.  My previous boat was a 1986 model and the original canvas was still very serviceable.


Arima's website isn't the greatest for specs.  I'd be interested to know the dimensions of the cockpit.  I don't care how many measurements you take.  You'll only know by crawling around in an Arima.  Go to Arima or find a local dealer, spend some time checking it out.

Sounds like you're really doing your homework.  Keep us informed.  New boat porn is always good.  If it is a C-Dory...don't bother...not into granola movies.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 04:23:58 PM by First Cabin »
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Offline rockhill

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2015, 05:29:36 PM »
I'm sold.  You guys paint a pretty good picture haha. :clap:

So, now it's time for you guys to help me spend my money.  I'm ready to start negotiating a sale.  Which options are a must have?  I'll be using the boat as a jack of all things that float, master of none.  It will mostly be used for fishing, shrimping and crabbing on the sound with the occasional trip out of Westport, Sekiu and the Columbia.  There's a very good chance I'll take it moose hunting in northwest Alaska too.

SR19
DF140A
Skip tower
Tandem trailer
Marine grade wiring

Here is the option list.  Before I talk to the dealer I'd like to have some idea what I want. For example, I know I want the companion seat on the port side but do I want the companion seat slider? How about the pedestal seat slider?  I like to stand so that might be something I'd like.  I think I need to go read up some more.  So many choices.



2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

Offline blindmonkey

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2015, 05:45:23 PM »
I have a feeling  member Amazing Grace is going to see things a little differently re the difference between Arima and C Dory owners  :jester:   :stirthepot:
Lorne
2013 17' Sea Chaser, Honda 90, Yamaha F8
1994 Sea Explorer, Mercury 60, SOLD

Offline rockhill

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 05:48:18 PM »
Here's the option sheet from Sportcraft:




2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

Offline Tom Mac

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2015, 06:13:02 PM »
If you go with New check the box for the Trim Tabs. I would also go with the sliders and foot rests for the seats, wish my 17 had them.
1991 Sea Ranger 17, 2014 F90 Yamaha, 2008 T8 Yamaha

Offline rockhill

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2015, 07:25:25 PM »
This just popped on Craigslist a few minutes ago.  Very tempting.  It's pretty much what I'm going for.  i know its a low hour main and very new kicker but I think it's a little more than I want to pay for a ~13 year old boat.  The pictures aren't the greatest but it looks like it was moored from the staining?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/boa/5302580625.html
2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

Offline headduck

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2015, 07:47:41 PM »
Maybe a little high but very nice with extra horse power as well.

Post the ad in the for sale section and plenty will offer honest feedback.
1987 17' Sea Ranger 2015 Mercury 115 2012 Evinrude 9.8

Offline Tunacious

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2015, 09:08:43 PM »
I like you put a lot of thought into the my first new boat
My biggest disappoint when I bought my first boat was I did not put any thought into the trailer.
After numerous brake issues and surge brakes I learned the boat trailer is going to be around as long as the boat.
Last year I got the opportunity to get an aluminum welded trailer. I got disc brakes also. I wish I had gotten electric over disc.
I know when your spending all that money on the boat you don't want to start adding to the trailer also. I'm just saying I was disappointed later.
Buying used you usually get the trailer you get.
As far as the boat goes get the foot rests hydraulic steering, Dual battery also. I'd skip the removable ladder and get one that mounts permanently.
No matter what your going to love your Arima.
For the record If I'm not wearing my rubber boots I'm wearing Romeos.  :clap:
2003 Sea Ranger 21' HT
2003 130 Honda

Offline Threeweight

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2015, 09:43:30 PM »
The used 19' is overpriced IMO... it looks pristine, but that kind of money should get you into a 21'.  The main motor has obviously sat a lot, and has no warranty left.  Some nice accessories, but the electronics are dated.  The skip tower and upgraded trailer add some nice value, but not that much.  $25-27k maybe.

There were very late model boat/engines (like 2013) going for that kind of $$ this summer. 

If you are buying new, consider the 19 Ranger vs 19 Chaser question carefully.  Do you need a sleeper cuddy?  If so, get a Ranger.  Will a small storage cuddy suffice?  If so, the Chaser get's you about 2' more fishing deck.
Former Sea Chaser 17 owner
Wild Card, Hewescraft Ocean Pro 220, Honda 225 and 9.9

“Never turn your back on fear. It should always be in front of you, like a thing that might have to be killed.”
       --- Hunter S. Thompson

Offline Markshoreline

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2015, 10:56:00 PM »
What is the price difference between a 19 and 21?  If you have room to store it I'd go with the 21.
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9

Offline rockhill

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2015, 10:16:01 AM »
Just looking at advertised numbers it looks like about ten grand.
2014 Arima 21SR DF140ATL
2007 Willie Predator 20'x72" F50
2003 ATEC 24' Hydrolite DF175TL2
1992 Alumaweld 16'x54" Guide Model drift boat
1980 Glasply 16' F70

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Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2015, 10:18:52 AM »
Jack plate discussion has been moved to Rockhill's Anyone running a jackplate on an Arima? thread..

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Offline Yachter Yat

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2015, 01:52:29 PM »
Love that 21 like Marks.  If Arima made that with a small two-place flybrige I'd probably have to wrestle the checkbook out of my wife's hand.  It would be a battle, but I'd win.  Only problem is, life would be awfully miserable for awhile...............until she got on board, or course.    :biggrin:

Yat   
Dear Arima:  Please "square-off" the Hunter transom. Next, stretch the Explorer by 9 and steal 2 or 3 from the cabin.  Please hurry, I'm getting old.

16 SC/Honda 60

Offline GregE

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2015, 03:52:57 PM »
Hmmm, sorta like this?

Greg
Osprey 26 LC Kodak;  Arima SR 19 HT; SL 22 Honda 225
http://www.sagecreekforums.com/phpforum/index.php
Sold:  Arima SE 16 WeeBait; SH 15 WeeBoat;
SR 21 NoBait;  SL 22 ReBait

Offline Markshoreline

Re: Shopping questions
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2015, 07:00:55 PM »
For a new boat $10k to two feet is a whopper, maybe why so few 21's out there. 

ThAt fly bridge looks scary!
2002 Sea Ranger HT 21, Yamaha 150, Yamaha 9.9