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TOO nice thanks for posting another project for me looks great
Pretty slick!
Hmmmm, Looks vaguely familiar...???
Were you able to keep the drawer slides from flexing down and scraping on the floor when you pull it out with the batteries sitting on it?
I needed to replace the original drawer slides I had with extra heavy duty ones (100 lb rating each)
Rick
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Haven't yet placed the batteries on the trays, but will do so tomorrow. These slides are rated for 100# but we'll see when I load them up. Do you still have your source for the ones that worked for you?
I've been wondering about the extended weight- seems drawer slides are made to work in the vertical position and these are horizontal so wonder about the load. However, I would not be adverse to some kind of roller in the front edge if that was needed.
The idea of having the batteries slide out nicely is such an advantage over the other method that I'd happily put up with a little sagging...
Rick it should look familiar!
Check out "Sliding Battery Tray Installation" and see,
QuoteThis was a pretty quick job once I rounded up all the correct parts! It was inspired by Wyrguy's pics of his setup on Arimatherapy.
Mark how wide are the slides would it be possible to stack two 1" strips of starboard on the bottom of the tray and another on the floor screwing them together. That would allow you to turn the rail sidways but it would raise it off the floor an extra inch.
One thing that looks a bit different than on Arima Therapy is the floor height between the battery compartment and the main deck. It's just over 1/2" on mine and then slides out over 1 of the 2 fish box lids. The sagging wasn't the issue as much as scratching the gel coat at full extension. I installed a SS drawer pull on the front of mine to pull it out with and to also be able to 'lift' a bit while sliding...
As for putting the slides up as suggested by Lingripper, I scrapped that as the height of my 2 group 27 batteries and the drain of the bait tank above caused clearance problems, that was a NoGo. I even tried it with strips of UHM super slippery plastic instead of the slides... Too much 'play' and movement. The other concern is the latch to keep the tray from sliding. It needs to withstand a pull of at least 90 lbs for 1 min duration without movement to meet the battery support standard of ABYC E-10
Rick
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Rick
Which drawer glides did you end up with?
If yours are the ALL SS (ball bearings and slides) & 100# rated (per slide) they're the same ones... They WILL sag, it's just the mechanics/physics of it. I ended up with two pieces (3" round hole-saw pucks) of 1/2" starboard mounted on the edge of the tray beside each front end of the slides. Both for added support and also to protect the deck/fish box lid from scratches. Also why I added the drawer pull to the front.
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This was the only SS latch I could find that would be able to meet the ABYC & US Coast Guard standard for the pull test (both axis)
I rejected the barrel bolt design you've used for that reason
Ling
the glides are almost 2" wide, thus the reason for laying them down as there's not so much overhead clearance. some kind of roller as Rick was describing would be an aid to eliminating the tray laying on the deck, and I like the handle idea, too.
I'll probably do the fine tuning later, I just needed to get the batteries in place because my new 150 gets installed on TUESDAY!!!
While all of this looks pretty slick to check your batteries. It also looks to me for a disaster waiting to happen. Putting slick rollers under batteries add rough seas ,with my luck . I would have 2 batteries sliding across the deck hell bent for election.
I don't want rain on any parades here. But doesn't code call for the batteries to be securely fasten down. I would think being on slides and depending on a little hasp as not very secure. Just my :twocents: for what it is worth.
H-T
I really like this idea, may need to do this mod in the future. Looks good mark. Rick thanks for posting the idea as well.
Bruce
HT,
Rick referenced a Coast Guard requirement that the latch must have 100# strength against sliding. However, it seems to me that the batteries could develop more inertia than that in the case of a sudden stop.
That being said, I remember spending years in boats that didn't have batteries tied down by anything other than the cables... and boats don't slow down all that fast unless of course you run into something... and we do have the piece of starboard in front of the battery that would serve as a barrier. Just random thoughts that make me feel ok about the slider with a latch.
A big advantage of the batteries in the stern is that it is the smoothest riding spot in the boat.
With three bad disc's in my back all of these are good ideas and the wheels are turning on a lot good minds now for a good design let's see what happens
as we get older, we are all anble to put up with a little more sagging :-)
:cha:
GoodDays Greg
Big Mac
Isn't it fun to listen to the youngsters whine??? :hoboy:
StreamFixer
H-T et al, the design of a battery tray/moveable compartment happens in larger boats quite frequently, I transferred that idea over to mine last year due to the lack of room above/around the batteries on an Arima, the 'complete dis-like' of moving the batteries anywhere else on my boat and the ability to more than meet the minimum requirement for batteries being securely fastened from movement. The standard calls for a maximum of 1" movement in the direction of pull with a pulling force of 90 lbs or twice the (individual) battery weight, which ever is less for a minimum of 1 minute. The pulling tests are done up, fore, aft, port, then starboard and a failure to meet the 1" movement (max) in any or all of those pulls is a total failure. If anyone builds one of these for themselves, they should know what they're up against. The "little hasp" I've installed has met those requirements easily... IMHO, a barrel bolt type will not.
Rick
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Getting old does suck but as long as my last breath is with a fishing rod in my hand its all I can ask for
Rick that is a very complete explanation of the rules and system. You may also note in my post "My Luck" I am a perfect example of Murphy's Law , If it could happen it will.
H-T
Murphy's law?...........No problem. It's O'toole's law that keeps me up at night. Simply stated, O'toole's law says: "Murphy's law is way to optimistic". As to gas tanks, IMO, they are best kept with the batteries at the rear of the boat where there's less movement. Ooops!.......did I just open a "battery of worms"? :whistle:
Yat
Yat, I'm gonna go with this one until I can get Croakers Rim Shot pic he posted figured out on this phone,...
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StreamFixer,
Don't know if it is whining or trying to reinvent the wheel.
Seems like a lot of expense/effort just to check/change batteries. I espouse the slide up over the carrier and out technique. It still works for me. Full disclosure--I probably don't check the batteries as often as I should. Concession--this would make it easier.
You young guys keep having fun. Right, SF?
(Dave)
Dave, I hear ya, but as a 'non-youngster' myself with bad knees, and not liking laying on my belly like a reptile to make connections to my batteries, I pulled out my MacGyver hat and came up with my battery tray slide. One of the best mods I've made to Arima Therapy and something I really think would be easy for Defiance/Arima to incorporate into the new boats. IMHO, being able to 'properly' access the batteries and all the connections will lead to better/longer battery life and less 'messed up' wiring that we've all seen happen.
As a SL owner, let me know if you want the measurements and parts list of mine... No fancy DrDooDadd joinery required!!!
Rick
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Wyrguy,
I don't mind laying on the belly part, it's the getting up that creates problems.
You make some excellent points.
BTW--the wiring behind you batteries is pristine. Behind my batteries is such a mess I'm afraid to try to tidy it up for fear the boat will never run again! If you're ever in the PDX area maybe we can make a deal.
(Dave)
The BTW part should have been addressed to Markshoreline. My bad.
Things get confused when you get old. Right, SF?
(Dave)