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Title: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 02:23:51 PM
I’m currently running the stock 13 1/2 inch steering wheel that came with the boat (nice wheel), but it’s small diameter with the Baystar hydraulic steering means lots of turns lock, to lock. It can be difficult in tight areas or docking. I’m just not used to the number of turns vs. cable steering. I was thinking about a larger, 15 1/2 in SS, 6-spoke wheel to offset it a bit. I’m trying to avoid adding one of those steering wheel knobs. Any thoughts? Anyone running a 15 1/2 in wheel on a smaller Arima? Would it even make that much of a difference?
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Threeweight on February 08, 2018, 02:46:31 PM
Larger wheel gets in the way of operating the electronics in a cramped Arima dash.

Hydraulic steering inherently has more turns to lock than cable.  I used a 13.5" wheel on my boat to... works great.  Invest in a spinner to go on the wheel if you want faster response.

https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/product.do?part=39893&engine=adwords&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI29yVzbKX2QIVBL3sCh1MDQySEAQYASABEgLTlvD_BwE
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Chief of the Boat on February 08, 2018, 02:55:17 PM
The knob puts the icing on hydraulic steering.
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/10/59-080218144135-10821506.jpeg)
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Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 08, 2018, 03:02:15 PM
    Fisher;  I don't think you want a bigger wheel.  In fact, you actually might want a smaller wheel.  No effort to hyro steering, so I'd go with a Sea Dog 11".  As far as the "suicide" knob is concerned; if you like it, okay.  Personally, I just give mine the middle finger against the spoke.  (Did I just say that?)  I'd bet you a dime to a dollar I could turn my wheel faster with my finger than you could with that knob....especially with a smaller diameter wheel. 

Yat
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
 :jester: Yat, you must have a strong middle finger.......you must use it alot :whistle:
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 03:10:47 PM
The knob puts the icing on hydraulic steering.
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Cheif, what size/brand is that 6-spoke? Looks bigger than a 13 1/2. Can I still put that knob on my stock wheel with the rubber grip on the outside?
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Chief of the Boat on February 08, 2018, 03:11:36 PM
I didn't like the knob at first until I got in a tight docking situation. 
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Chief of the Boat on February 08, 2018, 03:13:12 PM
Fisherdv,
OEM 1994 I am sure like Yat's.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Chief of the Boat on February 08, 2018, 03:17:55 PM
Fisherdv,
I think your rubberized wheel would work great to hold the knob.  Look at 3WT's post on the video.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 03:27:30 PM
What’s the “standard” (if there is one) clock position to mount that knob with wheel straight? I don’t see that video you mentioned
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: J Chaser on February 08, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
I have the knob as well.

John
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Chief of the Boat on February 08, 2018, 03:45:58 PM
I mounted mine at 1100.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Threeweight on February 08, 2018, 03:57:43 PM
Edson knobs come w/ two different mounting loops, one for bare stainless wheels and one for rubberized.

Stay away from the cheap Sea Dog spinners... they won't fit a rubberized wheel. 

In a pinch, a $20 car steering wheel spinner works just fine, but are a little big and clunky.  I used to use one I got for $15 from Autozone.

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Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 03:59:25 PM
Thanks for the info, Yat, I think I’ll try the finger next time out and see if that works well. If not I just may have to try that knob. There is a particular launch I sometimes go to that on a strong incoming tide can be very difficult to navigate the boat to the dock while trying to avoid some dock rash. The tide is pushing the boat from behind making for a tricky approach. Appreciate the replies
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 04:02:42 PM
Edson knobs come w/ two different mounting loops, one of bare stainless wheels and one for rubberized.

Stay away from the cheap Sea Dog spinners... they won't fit a rubberized wheel. 

In a pinch, a $20 car steering wheel spinner works just fine, but are a little big and clunky.  I used to use one I got for $15 from Autozone.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71qcK85CsvL._SL1500_.jpg)
3WT, that skull knob would go good with a skull and cross bones pirate flag
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Chief of the Boat on February 08, 2018, 04:20:24 PM
I run three of these with fender covers from http://www.mecoastmarine.com/index.shtml.  The will protect your boat.
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/10/59-080218161128-108222018.jpeg)
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: La-Z-Buoy on February 08, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
Bought this from amazon. Much cheaper than just the knob listed above. Knob is incorporated in the wheel, not a separate add on. Works for me. No, I don't have hydraulic steering.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXZ8FE8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 04:34:21 PM
Bought this from amazon. Much cheaper than just the knob listed above. Knob is incorporated in the wheel, not a separate add on. Works for me. No, I don't have hydraulic steering.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LXZ8FE8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
That looks like exactly the same wheel I have stock, only that has the knob.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: AJFishin on February 08, 2018, 05:01:01 PM
I saw you go with a classic   :biggrin:
(https://i.imgur.com/ADgjErsm.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
I saw you go with a classic   :biggrin:
(https://i.imgur.com/ADgjErsm.jpg)

:jester: And maybe some spoked rims on the trailer  :jester:
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 08, 2018, 05:36:49 PM
   Yeah Chief, I've got the 14" factory 6 spoke wheel like yours.  I like it better than the 5 spokers.  Gives me one more "fingering" opportunity. :facepalm:   Truth is, if I ever swap to hydro steering, I'd go with the Sea Dog 11".  Not only could I turn it faster, but it would also give me just a little additional leg room. 

   Yes Fisher, I have strong middle fingers.  Must be from being "overworked" in my youth.  :jester:

Yat
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: AJFishin on February 08, 2018, 05:47:47 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/dJUChrd.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydo steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 08, 2018, 05:51:02 PM
Nice!  :clap: I tow it with my 64’
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: mustang65fbk on February 08, 2018, 10:59:01 PM
Now you’ve got me thinking about a new wheel with the rubber cover and suicide knob. The one on amazon looks decent for only $50, mine is all metal and up until now I’ve just used a finger but my uncles old boat had the knob on it but I wasn’t a fan. If you do buy one, Mount it up higher than not so you don’t rack your knees on it every time you move around. Been there, done that several dozen times  :doh:
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 09, 2018, 05:18:04 AM
    I don't know, guys.  I mean.......suicide knob on a boat steering wheel?  Isn't that something like turn signals on a bulldozer? :hoboy:   I don't think I'd want that thing wacking my wrists or knees every time I turned around. 

Yat
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 09, 2018, 07:17:24 AM
Now you’ve got me thinking about a new wheel with the rubber cover and suicide knob. The one on amazon looks decent for only $50, mine is all metal and up until now I’ve just used a finger but my uncles old boat had the knob on it but I wasn’t a fan. If you do buy one, Mount it up higher than not so you don’t rack your knees on it every time you move around. Been there, done that several dozen times  :doh:
The rubberized wheel cover is nice, especially on those cold dewy mornings. Very comfortable too. I really didn’t want a knob either but as stated with hydraulic steering it may come in handy. I have to remove my wheel anyway so I can get my drill in there and cut out the hole for my LED trim tab switch so now would be a good time to try that Amazon wheel or get that knob
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Rokefin on February 09, 2018, 08:41:16 AM
    I don't know, guys.  I mean.......suicide knob on a boat steering wheel?  Isn't that something like turn signals on a bulldozer? :hoboy:   I don't think I'd want that thing wacking my wrists or knees every time I turned around. 

Yat


I'm with ya Yat - I have never felt a need for a knob, but it sounds like the users like them...
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Threeweight on February 09, 2018, 10:40:45 AM
When trying to maneuver a larger boat with a hard top into a slip in the wind, being able to go lock to lock on the wheel to bump the motor from forward to reverse lets you sort of "parallel park" and side slip into a space.  Really handy to have one then.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Peddler on February 09, 2018, 12:02:10 PM
I wish I'd added my steering knob a long time-ago!  Love it.  Made a huge difference on my riding mower as well!  :dance:
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 09, 2018, 12:24:33 PM
Ok, you guys convinced me, I’ll give the knob a try.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: J Chaser on February 09, 2018, 12:27:31 PM
You won't be disappointed.  :yeahthat:

J.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: diodon on February 09, 2018, 12:35:10 PM
Just like Peddler one on the boat and one on the riding mower, best thing I did. :dance:
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: GHMariner on February 12, 2018, 04:04:32 PM
If you want to decrease your turns lock to lock, swap out the Baystar helm for a higher displacement helm. I'm not sure which helm you have currently, but if you have a 1.1ci helm, you could reduce the turns significantly by going with a 1.6 Baystar helm. If you have the 1.6 already, you'd have to step up to a SeaStar helm. They range from 1.4ci to 2.4.

This is a good reference:
http://www.seastarsolutions.com/support-2/volumes-and-capacities-hyd-steering/
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Danno on February 12, 2018, 08:21:48 PM
I’m currently running the stock 13 1/2 inch steering wheel that came with the boat (nice wheel), but it’s small diameter with the Baystar hydraulic steering means lots of turns lock, to lock. It can be difficult in tight areas or docking. I’m just not used to the number of turns vs. cable steering. I was thinking about a larger, 15 1/2 in SS, 6-spoke wheel to offset it a bit. I’m trying to avoid adding one of those steering wheel knobs. Any thoughts? Anyone running a 15 1/2 in wheel on a smaller Arima? Would it even make that much of a difference?


Maybe I missed it but the turns, lock to lock, do not change with the steering wheel diameter.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 12, 2018, 08:28:41 PM
I think a larger wheel would sort of change the “gear” ratio a bit. Kind of like a larger truck tire/wheel would roll further in one revolution than a smaller diameter one  :shrug9: Or like putting a small diameter steering wheel in a big rig, you would be turning and turning the wheel and not really getting anywhere. Am I making any sense  :shrug9:
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: La-Z-Buoy on February 12, 2018, 09:12:30 PM
The force required to turn the wheel would change in proportion to the diameter. Turns lock to lock would remain the same.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: GHMariner on February 13, 2018, 10:17:08 AM
I think a larger wheel would sort of change the “gear” ratio a bit. Kind of like a larger truck tire/wheel would roll further in one revolution than a smaller diameter one  :shrug9: Or like putting a small diameter steering wheel in a big rig, you would be turning and turning the wheel and not really getting anywhere. Am I making any sense  :shrug9:

No. That's not how it works. In fact, it's sort of the opposite. A larger wheel might slightly reduce the force required to turn the wheel a given diatance (ie, inches around the circumference), but the added distance required to move the wheel would add up to the same amount of effort (a larger diameter wheel has a greater circumference).

Anyway, your chief gripe, as I recall, was the number of turns required to go from lock to lock, which would remain exactly the same (though you would be moving your arm over a larger arc, so I think it would actually exacerbate the problem).

If you want to reduce the turns required, the solution as I posted above, is to go with a larger displacement helm (the pump upon which the steering wheel is mounted). However, you should be aware that this will result in a corresponding increase in the effort required to turn the wheel. The solution to this is to a) install a larger diameter wheel, b) upgrade from the small diameter, restrictive Baystar plastic tubing to larger, more robust SeaStar made-to-length hoses, which allow the fluid to flow more easily, or c) incorporate more upper body exercises into your workout routine.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 13, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
Haha, actually upper body exercises is/was one of my strong points 💪. I have the Baystar with the Seastar hoses. Turning effort is fine, I’m just not used to say many turns lock 2 lock. I’ve always had cable steering.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Croaker Stroker on February 13, 2018, 08:35:11 PM
I use my Brody knob all the time....for quick slow speed maneuvering over reefs, parallel parking, and centering the boat on the trailer... Mine is built into the wheel.
Title: Re: Anyone running a larger diameter SS, 6-spoke steering wheel with hydro steering?
Post by: Fisherdv on February 13, 2018, 09:12:39 PM
I use my Brody knob all the time....for quick slow speed maneuvering over reefs, parallel parking, and centering the boat on the trailer... Mine is built into the wheel.

I can get the exact same wheel as I have now but with that knob built in for $52. That nice SS knob alone is $99. I’ll have to add that wheel and knob to my list. The list is already getting pretty long  :hoboy: