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Title: fuel tank straps
Post by: jamaica on January 27, 2018, 03:35:03 PM
I just discovered my fuel tank has not been tied down since I've owned the boat. The straps are there but there are no clips to secure them. Upon closer inspection I have found that the straps are damaged where they go through the bottom hold downs. So...I need to install new straps. Does anyone have a source for them? I've been looking and cannot find them. Is there an alternate method to strap the tank down that might be better than the "stock" technique? There are 3 plastic straps and it looks like when a PO repowered or took the tank out they just left the clips off because it would have been difficult to get them back on. 1992 SR '19 with the standard 48 gal tank set up the usual way.
Thanks
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Markshoreline on January 27, 2018, 03:40:03 PM
The ones I use are from Seattle Fabrics who supply outdoor gear.  They have straps in any length and most widths.  I used 1" width nylon straps on my boat.  You just secure with screws and sealant the nylon anchors on the floor front and back of the tank, and get long enough straps to circumnavigate the tank.  I used nylon adjusters to tighten them and nylon snaps and receivers to connect the ends.  They work great and are easy to install if the tank is empty.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: dbhazjack on January 27, 2018, 05:21:23 PM
The Defiance online parts store is no longer in service but you can call Belinda here: http://www.arimaowners.com/index.php?topic=14496.msg169375#msg169375
and she can get you what you need.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: AJFishin on January 27, 2018, 07:24:14 PM
I bought some lashing straps from Home Depot, I think they were $9 for 2.
Or Harbor Freight 2 for $5.
Then I trimmed them to length and melted the ends.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Mcneilcab on January 27, 2018, 07:34:53 PM
Dont buy them from Defiance....You can purchase some nylon web with buckles that tighten down (like on a pack) that work great and it will be cheaper too
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: beancounter on January 28, 2018, 05:01:47 AM
In my opinion they are a waste of time and money. I never replace them. With the panels in place and fuel fill connected and gas in the tank you tell me how it can move even one bit. Saves time not fooling with straps as you really should pull your tank out every couple years and clean under it and the bilge area by your drain plug. Just my  :twocents: some will probably disagree.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on January 28, 2018, 06:16:16 AM
    I'd be a little reluctant to go without some kind of tie down.  An alternative might be to use a single stainless steel endless tie down strap.  They make those 2" wide.  On line for about 30 bucks.  Just put one near the center of the tank.  That's probably the way I'd go next time. 

Yat
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: jamaica on January 28, 2018, 11:19:50 AM
Thanks for the ideas, I'm checking them out now. I'll be tying it down somehow, it's just the way I am. Is there any problem with the tank wearing through on the bottom caused by the slight movement of the tank? Mine shows some wear on the fiberglass where the tank rubs on it.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: birdman on January 28, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
I agree with bean. With that said, mine is tied down with 2 1” nylon straps-with metal buckle/clamp-purchased at Home Depot. Hasn’t moved in 5 years...
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Tom Mac on January 28, 2018, 12:14:42 PM
I used really long zip ties, connected two together per side of tank.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on January 28, 2018, 01:07:35 PM
    The straps I'm talking about come in 1" widths as well.  The beauty is they have stainless steel ratchets.   I honestly think that's the way to go..........either a single 2" wide strap or two 1" straps. 

Yat


Edit:  I think Suncor Stainless has these endless ratchet straps.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: troll4fish on January 28, 2018, 03:29:56 PM
my tank straps were pretty bad when I bought the boat 3 years ago and when I pulled the tank and got the underneath all cleaned and put a perforated aluminum screen over the drain hole leading to the bilge pump I just used 3/8" diameter poly rope and tied the tank in. I feel that the tank with fuel in it as well as the fill hose connected is not going to move anywhere. The ropes are just added security in case I hit a real big bump on the highway or worse going upside down which I will have way bigger worries than my fuel tank position!  :shrug9:
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: steeler on January 28, 2018, 07:33:43 PM
I had to cut the original straps when I removed the tank on my SH.
Then I had to pry the tank out with the help of a neighbour .
I did strap the tank in again but just used flat nylon webbing and clips from an outdoor store.
In my case it was probably just overkill to strap the tank in cause it isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: familyrig on January 30, 2018, 07:39:34 PM
I used really long zip ties, connected two together per side of tank.
This is exactly how I have done both boats.  Worked great! 

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Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: jamaica on January 30, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
I went with straps and buckles from Seattle Fabrics  like Mark Shoreline suggested, about $25. Whether you believe in strapping or not check out the site, they have a lot of cool rigging stuff.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Markshoreline on January 30, 2018, 10:50:59 PM
Stainless eyelets rust, nylon don’t....
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Threeweight on January 31, 2018, 10:11:34 AM
When I cleaned the tank on my old 17', I used 1" nylon cam-lock straps in my replacement.  Worked great.  The strapping that was on my tank was just cheap shipping straps, the kind used to lash and reinforce boxes for shipping.  You might be able to find it from some place that carries shipping supplies.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on January 31, 2018, 11:37:49 AM
   www.uscargocontrol.com has was you want.   Black endless straps with the stainless steel ratchets.

Yat
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2018, 01:40:25 PM
Well I guess I’m Mr Cheapo. I got straps and the clips out of the trash at Home Depot in the lumber area. Nice big wide heavy duty ones.
I do think the straps are necessary. Things happen out on the water that you never thought could happen and offen more than one thing goes bad at the same time.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Croaker Stroker on January 31, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Well I guess I’m Mr Cheapo. I got straps and the clips out of the trash at Home Depot in the lumber area. Nice big wide heavy duty ones.

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Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Markshoreline on January 31, 2018, 10:32:25 PM
Diablo- I can imagine even worse things can happen on a trailer while towing if the tank was not secured...
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Diablo on February 01, 2018, 06:40:37 PM
 
Diablo- I can imagine even worse things can happen on a trailer while towing if the tank was not secured...

 :yeahthat:
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Rokefin on February 02, 2018, 10:17:26 AM
Diablo- I can imagine even worse things can happen on a trailer while towing if the tank was not secured...


They should be strapped, but if there were a roll over I really doubt my straps would hold....
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 03, 2018, 06:22:27 AM
   Yeah, I hear you, Rokefin.  If you have the factory straps, your probably correct.   I must say, however; tie-it down with two of those 2" black nylon straps with stainless ratchets, and I honestly believe that boat could fly with the Thunderbirds without having to worry about that tank moving.  :biggrin:

Yat
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Markshoreline on February 03, 2018, 08:04:13 AM
Assuming the little screws didn’t pull out...
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 03, 2018, 08:59:31 AM
     Oops!  Forgot to thru-bolt those damned brackets.  :doh:

Yat

Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Markshoreline on February 03, 2018, 10:06:05 AM
...only as strong as it’s weakest point, as they say.
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 03, 2018, 11:58:34 AM
   Yup.........you're right, Mark.  I still like those black nylon straps as opposed to the factory stuff.  That said (as you eluded to), using those might be redundant unless the fasteners in the hull were fairly substantial and solidly mounted. 

Yat
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Markshoreline on February 03, 2018, 10:53:30 PM
Yat what do you think about using stainless expanding nuts to secure under the tank deck?  Those would be hard to pull out!
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 04, 2018, 05:56:23 AM
   Mark;  No doubt, those would provide a much more secure fastener than simply screwing into glass.  Funny you should mention that.  When I had my tank out for the 60 horse motor installation, I stared at those tie downs; thinking about what might be a better alternative.  Although I never did it, what crossed my mind at the time was replacing those screws with nylon toggle anchors.......you know, the kind you hang things on sheetrock walls with.  My thinking was, not only would they be much more secure, but would be impervious to salt as well. 

Yat
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: HemiGTX on February 04, 2018, 07:53:35 AM
I think the tank straps are most useful in keeping the tank in place when the boat is being assembled at the factory.  There is no way those cheesy nylon buckles and hold-downs would retain a 300 lb fuel tank in the event of a catastrophic trailering accident if it weren't for the fact that the fuel tank is very solidly retained by the fiberglass surrounding it.

We got two pages out of a question on fuel tank straps.  We need to get out and do some blackmouth fishing before we all go stir-crazy.  :bigshock:

Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Yachter Yat on February 04, 2018, 09:41:20 AM
   Sometimes I think the straps are most important to serve at preventing the tank from vertical movement.  Just looking at mine tells me there's no way it could move side-to-side or back and forth.  But...... hit a major bump in the road while trailering and that thing could conceivably wind-up putting stress on the filler...........maybe over and over again.  As far as a catastrophic incident on the highway is concerned.........you run like hell..........if you can, of course.  :jester:

Yat
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: Markshoreline on February 05, 2018, 09:09:50 AM
I’m pretty sure the filler tube is what actually holds the tank in place...  :biggrin:

Hemi- yes to the black mouth idea!
Title: Re: fuel tank straps
Post by: neild on February 08, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
I re-strapped my tank with a package bander from work. See if you can find a friend or business to borrow one when installing your tank.