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Title: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on November 28, 2017, 03:44:26 PM
Anyone on here have one of these with the sidescan?  I purchased a 15' 11" sea explorer that has one on it but it doesn't have any chips.  The depth and sidescan seem to work decently but there are no maps.  I have two choices, either buy a used or new garmin of which I have had several over the years and really like or buy a navionics plus chip. Any input would be appreciated.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on November 28, 2017, 09:09:51 PM
I have the 788HD

If yours is like mine, it should have the Humminbird map in the system even with no “chips”. You may have to go into the settings to switch from the map on the card to the internal map. You can go to the Humminbird website and download the manual. You can also update the unit on the website and download the “Humminbird PC” software which lets you work with your fishing Spots on your computer. You can also open them in Google Earth with the Humminbird PC Software. There may still be waypoints from the previous owner which you can save to a blank card/chip, then transfer to your computer with the HPC software.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on November 29, 2017, 09:51:59 AM
Thanks croaker.  Mine has a map but no depths or detail.  I can follow my trail but there just isn't enough detail to do anything. 
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on November 29, 2017, 10:48:45 PM

I have an old fish-n-chips map. It has 1’ detail in most areas.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Threeweight on November 30, 2017, 09:50:03 AM
Any Navionics chip should work.  That unit is ok... smallish screen, but a lower end (sub $500) Garmin isn't really going to give you much of an improvement.  I would look into a Navionics+ chip/download option.  You can select high-detail maps (better than the old Fish-n-chip) for the areas you want to fish, and you don't have to pay the full price for a chip that covers the entire West Coast.

FYI... Garmin just bought Navionics.  A lot of concern they may shut down access to future mapping products for their competitors.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on November 30, 2017, 10:52:56 AM
Thanks.  I'll look into that.  Not a computer pro but might be able to find it and figure it out.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on December 15, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
Went ahead with the navionics card.  Bought the wrong one.  You have to have a "platinum" version to get text that the normal person can read.  Totally ticked.  Why would a manufacturer put out a product that has text too small to read?  Humminbird says "sorry".  Navionics says "should have spent more money".  Done with both.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 15, 2017, 12:04:07 PM

What text ?
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on December 16, 2017, 12:32:10 PM
Spot depths, nav aids, etc.  Navionics chip has tide tables but first you have to find a diamond with a colored "t".  That will require some really strong reading glasses. 
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 16, 2017, 12:56:43 PM
I never noticed small numbers.  Guess I’ll have to pay attention next time out.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on December 16, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
 It's only a problem on the 700 series humminbirds.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 17, 2017, 07:30:00 PM

That’s what I have.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on December 18, 2017, 11:55:27 AM
Are you using a navionics chip with the western states or did you buy a platinum chip?
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 18, 2017, 08:01:40 PM

I have an old Navionics “Fish-n-Chip” chip.

The Numbers are too small to see.


Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on December 19, 2017, 12:06:22 PM
Same problem as mine.  Strange why both navionics and hummingbird would produce a product that is difficult for the average person to read.  I have good eyesite but occasionally use glasses for reading fine print but this problem is beyond fine print.  Thanks for the reply.   Now I wish I would have bought a used garmin for the mapping. 
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Rokefin on December 19, 2017, 12:28:09 PM
You just can't miss with a Garmin
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 19, 2017, 01:04:50 PM

Garmin....

Can you edit waypoints on your computer ?

How easily does it come on/off of the boat ? If you take it off the boat...What do you do with the plugs ?
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: lloyds on December 19, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
Never have tried it with garmin or hummingbird.  I fish a relatively limited area offshore and just a handful of lakes so with garmins' ability to store like 1000 waypoints never been a problem.  One thing about the hummingbird that I think I will like is the ability to shade certain depths.  Ability to find high and low spots without having to mentally interpret.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Dbobby23 on December 19, 2017, 02:17:10 PM
Never have tried it with garmin or hummingbird.  I fish a relatively limited area offshore and just a handful of lakes so with garmins' ability to store like 1000 waypoints never been a problem.  One thing about the hummingbird that I think I will like is the ability to shade certain depths.  Ability to find high and low spots without having to mentally interpret.

I use the shaded depth feature all the time on my hummingbird 859.
I put a navionics plus card in the unit and love the easy functionality of this unit. I would like a bigger screen, that’s it. maybe next year.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Rokefin on December 19, 2017, 06:34:03 PM

Garmin....

Can you edit waypoints on your computer ?

How easily does it come on/off of the boat ? If you take it off the boat...What do you do with the plugs ?

I am usually adding or deleting waypoints while in action fishing, it would be nice to practice or play on the computer.

Unit is simple to remove, undo the two plugs, loosen the side mounts and it is off in seconds, then cover my plugs...

I find the Garmins very simple to use, and I need that :doh:
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 19, 2017, 06:52:20 PM

Mine has three plugs, power, transducer, and signal to DSC radio.

How do you cover your plugs ?  (Humminbird has an accessory that covers all three)
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Rokefin on December 20, 2017, 07:46:19 AM
Cover my plugs with 2 larger vacuum/water rubber nipples...
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 20, 2017, 10:43:17 AM
I did a search for vacuum rubber nipples and got all sorts of exciting information, none of which looked Applicable.

Could you take a picture please ?


Note:  Over time, Dielectric grease gets hard and dirty and prevents a good connection.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0EybmBavV4M
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Rokefin on December 20, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
These rubber nipples cover the whole plug, pretty much just to keep solid water out.....I'll try to get a pic when I venture over to the boat.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 20, 2017, 12:22:38 PM

Sounds like a good solution.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: AJFishin on December 21, 2017, 04:51:13 PM

Garmin....

Can you edit waypoints on your computer ?

How easily does it come on/off of the boat ? If you take it off the boat...What do you do with the plugs ?

I am usually adding or deleting waypoints while in action fishing, it would be nice to practice or play on the computer.

Unit is simple to remove, undo the two plugs, loosen the side mounts and it is off in seconds, then cover my plugs...

I find the Garmins very simple to use, and I need that :doh:


True, I think Garmins are more user friendly.

I like using the Garmin Homeport on my computer to enter all my waypoints; easily transfer to the SD card, then to my unit, done. :clap:
It's also pretty cool to to see all your waypoints on Google earth.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 21, 2017, 07:35:42 PM
Good to hear. Garmin Homeport sounds like it works like the Humminbird PC.

Will it work on an Apple ?

Does Lowrance have a program like that ?
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Threeweight on December 21, 2017, 09:32:32 PM
Lowrance/Simrad =  Navico Insight Planner.

Raymarine = Raymarine Voyage Planner (actually a version of the Fugawi commercial GPS software).

You can buy Fugawi and Nobletec software separately, and manage files for any unit that supports .gpx format (pretty much everything these days).  I like the Raymarine/Fugawi software because they support the free NOAA raster charts... no need to buy separate maps, and you can import maps with some details that are not available on Bluechart/Navionics (like bottom composition).

Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 21, 2017, 09:50:08 PM

None work on an Apple.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Threeweight on December 21, 2017, 11:46:43 PM
They should if you run a Windows emulator.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 22, 2017, 12:06:56 AM


I’m going to have to call the Geek Squad.
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Mooch on December 22, 2017, 08:45:48 AM
Actually Garmin Homeport does run on Mac. 

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=7265 (http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=7265)

If you aren't able to open app because it wasn't downloaded from the App Store, you will need to adjust settings in System Preferences to open.  Foer whatever reason Homeport is not available thru App Store.  Here's a cheezy video explaining how to allow app open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQP_R7bBS28 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQP_R7bBS28)
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 22, 2017, 09:35:33 AM
Thanks Guys. I did a little reaserch and found that I have a program on my Mac that allows me to run Windows (BootCamp) I have a lot of windows programs that I could load onto my Mac like my Evinrude Tuning Program, Photoshop, Illustrator, Auto Cad, etc.

So which Windows do I buy ?  Looks like there are a few for sale like Windows 7  Pro, or Windows 10 ?? .....and will they work with the older programs that I have on Windows XP ??
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Mooch on December 22, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
Friends don't recommend emulators to friends.  ;)
Title: Re: humminbird 798ci si combo
Post by: Threeweight on December 22, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
Old stuff tends to work on newer versions of Windows, but new stuff doesn't wok on old versions.  Windows 10 is a huge upgrade in terms of stability and speed over XP or 7.  Just turn off all the tracking crap Microsoft includes.