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Title: About those sponsons...
Post by: darci on October 31, 2017, 09:43:01 AM
An Arima hallmark, great at floating an engine and making the boats uber stable!
However, I think Mr Arima's stern design was for a single small (efficient, affordable) engine.

(The big boats can and do take twin engines)
 
While a work of art, the "no 90 degree-anywhere-Arima" complaint (as my davit manufacturer calls it) sure does complicate a kicker mount.
 
So, were kickers just not thought "necessity" when our boats were designed?

I am joyfully (nervously) running on a new E-tec 90 with no kicker...trolls so nice in the Columbia!

My New England friends think a "kicker" is the brown neoprene boots we all have a worn out pair of!
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Croaker Stroker on October 31, 2017, 11:32:45 AM
Arimas came with a stainless steel adapter from the factory which is ready to mount a kicker motor mount on. (Mine is an ‘87.)

(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/4/6-090713191618.jpeg)
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Yachter Yat on October 31, 2017, 01:47:16 PM
   When you say "kicker" to anybody in New England, they think you're talking about football.............and when I say "anybody", I'm talking about guys who actually "own"  boats.  :whistle:

Yat
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Salmon King on October 31, 2017, 02:06:20 PM
There really is only 1 problem with trolling on the main...
The massive build up of engine hours.
And on an Etec that means more trips to the shop because their schedule is figured on total engine hours.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Markshoreline on October 31, 2017, 02:10:39 PM
Quality manufacturers of fixed kicker brackets such as Arima angle the extension so that it goes straight back rather than out at the angle of the sponson.  They produce a quality bracket that is competitively priced. 
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on October 31, 2017, 03:54:50 PM
All of the Arima's I've seen had kicker brackets on them, or the provisions for brackets made at the factory.  Originally, they shipped with OMC hydraulic brackets or Gaerlick spring-loaded.  Both adjust on the kicker-side of things to correct for the angle.  More recent boats have had the fixed bracket option.

A top of the line kicker is $3000, and costs maybe $50 to do a full service of, and burn maybe .5 of a gallon per hour trolling.  A decent 90 hp motor is going to cost near $10,000 these days, and cost two or three times that.

I know which one I'd rather rack up the hours on!
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 01, 2017, 05:21:22 AM
    Yea, I hear you.  I can understand the need for a kicker motor where trolling for hours chasing a particular species of fish is necessary........(obviously the case in the Northwest).   That said, not a lot people troll for fish around here.  In New England, your either out jigging the bottom, or sitting in (or at the mouth of) a river waiting for striped bass to show-up.   Consequently, most people would be buying a kicker simply for the sake of insurance against an already very dependable modern outboard.  A waste of money, IMO.   

Yat
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: darci on November 01, 2017, 12:05:32 PM
Well I drifted about for years fishing halibut in the Inside Passage.
What changed my take by about a factor of 12 was anchoring during peak slack tides. Usually in 20 minutes or so there was movement under the boat...

What little trolling I did was for salmon but was often interrupted by halibut, sometimes the take was really severe until they let go of the flasher.

Anchoring up and throwing spoons is fun, and can out produce trolling.

Seems like anchoring to fish the Columbia is the law or something.

Not really using the main to troll much, just when the need to move across or away, we just drop the troll gear and idle around a bit.
 
I may carry the kicker forward just in case in salt water.
Using the electric on dedicated battery, works too if you really want to s-l-o-w d-o w-n...

Nice to not have another item to steer fish around in the stern area.
Maybe some day I will rejoin the kicker crowd.
Maybe not.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: First Cabin on November 01, 2017, 12:35:07 PM
In Cabo, our Mexican Guide had just put a new Yamaha 150 on his Panga.  He sold his old Honda 130 to another guide and we saw that guide running around near us.

Honda 130

8,000 hours

100% saltwater

Never flushed, boat is moored

Oil changed every 100 hours, waterpump as needed.

Kicker?  Why?

Around here some will say the world ends if you don’t flush after every trip and would never keep/buy an outboard with 1,000 hours.

Makes me very comfortable with my 2002 Yamaha F100 with 700 hours and I don’t worry about a few extra trolling hours.


Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Rokefin on November 01, 2017, 01:33:32 PM
Darci
Then a kicker is not for you....most of us either troll with a kicker or have one as a safety backup as I do. I don't think you will be able to talk anyone out of their kicker motor no matter what their use is.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Markshoreline on November 01, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
In Cabo, our Mexican Guide had just put a new Yamaha 150 on his Panga.  He sold his old Honda 130 to another guide and we saw that guide running around near us.

Honda 130

8,000 hours

100% saltwater

Never flushed, boat is moored

Oil changed every 100 hours, waterpump as needed.

Kicker?  Why?

Around here some will say the world ends if you don’t flush after every trip and would never keep/buy an outboard with 1,000 hours.

Makes me very comfortable with my 2002 Yamaha F100 with 700 hours and I don’t worry about a few extra trolling hours.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171101/027a341562d59839341ff0b566de7c52.jpg)

How many hours must these motors have on them?
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 01, 2017, 02:49:35 PM
I’m still debating on whether I want a kicker or not. About 75-80% of the time I’m trolling for either salmon, halibut, or stripers. The other times I’m either drift fishing, or anchored up for sturgeon. I don’t want to rack up all those hours on the main, but I don’t want to have to hold a tiller handle all day and have another motor to flush and maintain either.  :shrug9: I guess for me it’s the cost of a kicker mostly, is it really worth another 3-4K ?
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: mustang65fbk on November 01, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
I've often thought the same thing about getting a kicker... there are obvious pros and cons for each side of the equation.  The pros for getting a kicker would be that if your motor craps out for whatever reason that you'd have a backup.  It would also take hours off the main motor and probably get you better fuel economy than the main?  The cons that I can think of would obviously be the price.  A new 6-9.9hp kicker motor I'm guessing would be $2500 and up, less for a used one obviously.  But you can buy a lot of gas for a couple grand.  Also another negative would be that you're adding more weight to an already low arse end of the boat.  I have heard the same things about these 4 stroke main motors though... that you can put 4k+ hours on them with relatively low maintenance and they still perform like a champ, if you take somewhat decent care of them that is.  A friend of a friend has a Honda 4 stroke for his main and it's got over 5k hours on the motor and still running just fine. 
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: mustang65fbk on November 01, 2017, 03:06:18 PM
In Cabo, our Mexican Guide had just put a new Yamaha 150 on his Panga.  He sold his old Honda 130 to another guide and we saw that guide running around near us.

Honda 130

8,000 hours

100% saltwater

Never flushed, boat is moored

Oil changed every 100 hours, waterpump as needed.

Kicker?  Why?

Around here some will say the world ends if you don’t flush after every trip and would never keep/buy an outboard with 1,000 hours.

Makes me very comfortable with my 2002 Yamaha F100 with 700 hours and I don’t worry about a few extra trolling hours.

I wonder if the cold winters up here in the northwest where it gets to freezing temperatures have some kind of impact on longevity?  The friend of the friend that I have lives in Oregon and it's similar in weather conditions to Washington but Mexico I don't think ever gets very cold, especially during the winter.  I flush my motor with Salt Away just for peace of mind and then use some Stabil for the fuel since it will likely sit for 6 months or more.  Some have advised to do way more than that and some say you probably don't even need to do that.  Seems a lot like personal preference and what has worked well in the past for some.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Markshoreline on November 01, 2017, 03:41:06 PM
The motors in Mexico are not flushed but are run daily, that probably makes a big difference.  We park ours for weeks or months at a time and in that case it's better to flush.

In all my years on Puget Sound, I've only had to get home with the kicker one time but that was enough.  New Yamaha main blew a rotor stator at Eglon across Puget Sound and I had launched 6 miles away at Edmonds.  It is worth the cost and weight to have a back up although it did take a bit over an hour to get back to our home dock.  As a bonus, the kicker will troll all day on a gallon and keep hours off the main.

It would be pretty easy to end up on the beach or on some rocks if all you have is a paddle while you wait for help to show up.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: gfakkema on November 01, 2017, 04:23:35 PM
Along with all the reasons listed above, speed is another factor. The slowest I can get my main is 3.5 or 4 mph. That's too fast for Chinook IMO and I would have a hard time trolling if I didn't have a kicker. The benefits of running a kicker FAR outweigh the negatives.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Tom Mac on November 01, 2017, 04:50:21 PM
When I had my old 2 stroke 120 hp it would not troll slow enough for salmon, now that I have a 4 stroke I can slow down to 1.5 mph. But the kicker is not going any were and I almost never use it. If the main packs it in for any reason I'm still coming in, if I ran twin mains there would be no kicker. My kicker is only there for safety now.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 01, 2017, 05:12:54 PM
Sitting kills 4 stroke motors, not too many hours.  Most Mexican guide pangas get run every single day.  Their ports don't face big swells on bar crossings, and the panga's  I've fished in down there stick close to shore.  I've seen mid-80's 2 stroke Yamaha's down there still going strong... most of those motors sold in the PNW died long ago with less than 500 hours on them.

Folks who fish more protected waters in the PNW are probably fine with no kicker, especially if they have Sea Tow or some similar service in the area.  IMO, it is not very healthy to fish the ocean, or big coastal bays/estuaries, without a kicker (or twin engines).

Doesn't matter how well your motor is running... hit a crab pot rope on the CR or Tillamook bars when they are rough and you are going to have very bad day.  Heck, even a sunfish or blue shark suddenly popping up in front of your boat on the ocean can result in a spun prop hub.  With kicker you might have a slow ride in, but it's better than trying to paddle your boat back across the bar.  Even on a strong ebb current, a kicker at least lets you keep the boat pointed in the right direction, and vastly reduces the risk of a capsize. 

To each his own, I guess.  To me, a kicker is a basic piece of safety equipment, and a way to reduce wear and tear on my $25k main motor.


Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 01, 2017, 05:26:45 PM
You guys make very good points about the need for a kicker as a safety backup. When I can pony up the BOAT bucks I will get one. The safety factor alone is worth it. I do fish ocean and a large often nasty rough bay as well as delta and river with some good current
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: darci on November 01, 2017, 05:51:31 PM
Very early in our Arima ownership when the First Sargent was piloting, she hit a three foot piece of two inch diameter floating rope. right there in the scum line with other assorted green floating stuff.

We rather suddenly slowed down. Prop not spun, blades all flattened and similarly curled on the ends.
Cleared the rope. I thought it would be a good idea to use the kicker back to the harbor, maybe three NMs away.

It worked, I could have anchored and changed out the prop, that would have been faster! Other than trolling a bit in no wind situations that was about my total use in seven years. About 450 hours on the old 2 stroke main and about half as much on the six horse.
 Both engines were 1997 Yamahas as new on Darci when we bought her.
 Anybody need a Michigan Wheel 17 pitch for a Yamaha? And a new in the box for a 6 HP?
My wife was upset, I told her it was just like getting a flat tire! The prop guy fixed it and gave it back about two years later. I do carry spare parts.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: blindmonkey on November 01, 2017, 07:29:58 PM
I always use my kicker for trolling.  Cheap to run and easy to use with an EZ steer and iTroll kicker throttle control for precise speed control. The iTroll is one of the best things I have bought. On my boat the kicker gets far more hours than the main each year.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: BigSid on November 01, 2017, 08:59:21 PM
What kills me is seeing guys in the summer on flat calm days trolling at almost 3 mph on their main and the kicker trimmed up along for the ride....thats a travesty
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 01, 2017, 09:07:05 PM
Sitting kills 4 stroke motors, not too many hours.  Most Mexican guide pangas get run every single day.  Their ports don't face big swells on bar crossings, and the panga's  I've fished in down there stick close to shore.  I've seen mid-80's 2 stroke Yamaha's down there still going strong... most of those motors sold in the PNW died long ago with less than 500 hours on them.

Folks who fish more protected waters in the PNW are probably fine with no kicker, especially if they have Sea Tow or some similar service in the area.  IMO, it is not very healthy to fish the ocean, or big coastal bays/estuaries, without a kicker (or twin engines).

Doesn't matter how well your motor is running... hit a crab pot rope on the CR or Tillamook bars when they are rough and you are going to have very bad day.  Heck, even a sunfish or blue shark suddenly popping up in front of your boat on the ocean can result in a spun prop hub.  With kicker you might have a slow ride in, but it's better than trying to paddle your boat back across the bar.  Even on a strong ebb current, a kicker at least lets you keep the boat pointed in the right direction, and vastly reduces the risk of a capsize. 

To each his own, I guess.  To me, a kicker is a basic piece of safety equipment, and a way to reduce wear and tear on my $25k main motor.



25K main?  :bigshock:
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Rokefin on November 02, 2017, 07:36:40 AM
What kills me is seeing guys in the summer on flat calm days trolling at almost 3 mph on their main and the kicker trimmed up along for the ride....thats a travesty

That would be me....nailing salmon. I have let myself get comfortable out of habit just using the main, but in the future I plan to use the kicker. I have a lock on my kicker and will steer with the main.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 09:12:40 AM
If you do use your main for trolling and want to go slower you could switch to a lower pitch prop during salmon season then switch back to your normal prop. Good time to grease the prop shaft as well. Of course your top end speed will suffer but you’ll get good hole shot and on plane faster with a heavy load. Just an option.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Diablo on November 02, 2017, 09:51:36 AM
What kills me is seeing guys in the summer on flat calm days trolling at almost 3 mph on their main and the kicker trimmed up along for the ride....thats a travesty

I usually figure they don’t do any maintenance and the kicker won’t start. :facepalm:
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: J Chaser on November 02, 2017, 10:00:56 AM
I am a stickler for maintenance. Sometimes I troll with my main because it's smooth and virtually silent. As opposed to my kicker.

John
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 02, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
Single cylinder engines inherently have more rattle and vibration than twins.  Twins are heavier, but if you want smooth and quiet they are superior.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 02, 2017, 10:06:30 AM
If you do use your main for trolling and want to go slower you could switch to a lower pitch prop during salmon season then switch back to your normal prop.

When I see guys trolling on the Columbia on their mains, they are often dragging drift socks or 5 gallon plastic buckets to try and slow the speed down.

Coho here (and on the ocean) will take a fast troll.  Our spring chinook are notorious for preferring a very, very slow troll.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 10:14:31 AM
If you do use your main for trolling and want to go slower you could switch to a lower pitch prop during salmon season then switch back to your normal prop.

When I see guys trolling on the Columbia on their mains, they are often dragging drift socks or 5 gallon plastic buckets to try and slow the speed down.

Coho here (and on the ocean) will take a fast troll.  Our spring chinook are notorious for preferring a very, very slow troll.
Our chinook salmon prefer a very slow troll as well. My preferred troll speed is 1-1.8 mph
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Rokefin on November 02, 2017, 10:17:19 AM
The louder vibrating kicker is one of the main reasons I use my main to troll, would love a newer twin, the main is smooth and quiet.
I just switched to the 4 blade so my trolling speeds are faster and I will need to rely on the kicker more often. Fishing only the ocean I have caught salmon at slow speeds and at higher speeds :shrug9:

I am normally trolling 2.2 - 3.0 mph
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
If I’m trolling in the river I always try to troll against the tide. If you troll with a tide that’s already going let’s say 2mph, and your boat has to go another 2 mph to keep the action of your lure, your SOG is now 4 mph+
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: darci on November 02, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
If you do use your main for trolling and want to go slower you could switch to a lower pitch prop during salmon season then switch back to your normal prop. Good time to grease the prop shaft as well. Of course your top end speed will suffer but you’ll get good hole shot and on plane faster with a heavy load. Just an option.

THIS !
 I had a 19 pitch, (that got flattened with the rope) tried the Michigan Wheel 17 pitch for a day...it was a better fit. Just learning to dock , the slower pitch was a very good thing. Then we settled on a 15 pitch and was very pleased and it trolled slow and made docking much more pleasant.

Now with the new E-tec the 17 pitch trolls @ 1.6 kts at 500 rpm (idle)  upstream of Chinook Landing on the Columbia and 3.2 kts downstream.
The 55 lb thrust Minn Kota can do 2.0 kts  (maximum) upstream or 5kts with the main up.
I will get the slowest available Evinrude prop just for the CR and check it before the Springers arrive.

BTW I think I have caught about 100% of my salmon trolling a zig zag that is basically ACROSS the current 
(in the channel ACROSS THE TIDE FLOW).
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 02, 2017, 10:57:25 AM
The Columbia is tidal all the way up to the Columbia Gorge.  We typically fish cut plug herring 95% of the time when trolling, and troll in the same direction as the tide.  Try to troll against it to slow down and your herring blows out quickly and won't spin.  Most success comes from having good bottom charts and knowing what kind of structure funnels fish at different stages of the tide/river flow, then trolling through those areas.

The river is often VERY crowded in productive areas.  You don't want to be "that guy" trolling in the opposite direction of everyone elses boat, fouling lines and pushing people off their intended troll route.

(http://www.leeroysramblings.com/Fishing%20images/mouth%20of%20the%20Cowlitz.jpg)

Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: darci on November 02, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
The Columbia is tidal all the way up to the Columbia Gorge.  We typically fish cut plug herring 95% of the time when trolling, and troll in the same direction as the tide.  Try to troll against it to slow down and your herring blows out quickly and won't spin.  Most success comes from having good bottom charts and knowing what kind of structure funnels fish at different stages of the tide/river flow, then trolling through those areas.

The river is often VERY crowded in productive areas.  You don't want to be "that guy" trolling in the opposite direction of everyone elses boat, fouling lines and pushing people off their intended troll route.

(http://www.leeroysramblings.com/Fishing%20images/mouth%20of%20the%20Cowlitz.jpg)

Amen, brothers Amen !
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 11:38:36 AM
The lower end of the river here is also tidal. The productive areas here can look the same way with many boats trying to crowd the same small area trolling in all different directions. It’s quite kaotic and I’ve lost rigs getting pushed into the shallows. I don’t care for combat Fishing anymore so I’ll just go a very short distance away from the herd and still catch fish all by myself! 99% of the time we troll large spinners. On a slow tide trolling with the current is doable, but with a fast outgoing tide your boat speed becomes way to fast to keep the spinner blades turning. 4-5 mph +
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Another good time to troll with the main is when Fishing in a large group of boats all very close together with choppy water and wind. The kicker motor just doesn’t have the maneuverability and thrust in those conditions
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 02, 2017, 12:49:49 PM
   I think Fisher's right!  If I were trolling around a crowd like that, you can bet your backside I'd be running on the main.  To be honest, I'd be running in the opposite direction as fast as possible.   BTW, do you suppose any of these guys realize there may actually be a fish market somewhere nearby?   :jester:

Yat
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
Yat, you would be surprised what a grown man would do to catch a salmon!  :hoboy: I’ve seen guys fist fighting standing waist deep in water at a bank Fishing spot. Guys stealing people’s stringers of fish! They go nuts!!!
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 02, 2017, 01:23:51 PM
   Did you say......."grown" man?  :jester:  You know what's funny?  Year's ago people would tell me how lucky I was to own a boat.  They felt one of the benefits being, I got fish for "free".  My response was always something like this:  Yeah,  why should I pay $3.99 a lb. at the store when I can own my own boat and get it for $45.00 a lb.?  :jester:

Yat
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 01:38:52 PM
Wild, king salmon here in the store goes about $19.99 a pound. I saw just last weekend halibut fillets in the grocery store going for $26.99 a pound! No joke!
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 02, 2017, 02:09:53 PM
The kicker motor just doesn’t have the maneuverability and thrust in those conditions

Hi-thrust Yamaha T9.9 or Honda 9.9 does just fine in those conditions.  Specifically designed for it, big fat 4 blade props with very steep pitch.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 02:28:13 PM
Is the Honda 9.9 multi-cylinder? Less vibration?
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: J Chaser on November 02, 2017, 03:14:43 PM
Yes and yes. Pretty heavy.

I have a Yamaha F6 - 2 cylinder that is a few years old. They are now a single cylinder.

J
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: StreamFixer on November 02, 2017, 03:15:31 PM
Yamaha T8 & T9.9 run two cylinders...  Virtually no vibration and can push my 19SC around 5 knots with the 4 blade prop.  I am sure the Suziuki 9 is about the same..

StreamFixer
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 02, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
It's been a while since I looked, but I believe the Honda BF 9.9 hi-thrust is 110#.

The Yamaha's have kicker-specific lower unit, geared for trolling/pushing big sailboats.  Honda/Suzuki use a hi-thrust prop on their 9.9's, but run the same gearing.  If one wanted to go lighter, you can always use a hi-thrust prop on a manual start Honda 8.  I have no problem controlling my tin can (24'7" from anchor pulpit to motor bracket, with a giant hardtop) with my 9.9 high thrust.

On my old Arima, I ran an older Honda BF8a "Classic" for a kicker.  Manual start/tilt and trim, and a lot noisier than a modern motor, but it only weighed 80# and trolled like a champ with a hi-thrust prop.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 03:43:28 PM
I wonder what’s the smallest Honda kicker with multiple cylinders? I would want the least vibration and smoother motor. I’ll have to research a bit. I also have to consider the weight seeing as I only have a 16 SC. I would want a Honda for no specific reason other than it matches my main.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 02, 2017, 03:48:36 PM
The BF 8 is their smallest, anything smaller is a single cylinder.  Same with all the other manufacturers these days.

I went Honda on the new boat because it was more cost effective and the motors last forever.  Yamaha kickers are the cat's meow for ultimate speed control and smooth running.  Suzuki's line of fuel injected kickers are pretty sweet for avoiding the headaches that come with carbs.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 02, 2017, 03:51:26 PM
Thx 3wt
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 03, 2017, 09:51:16 PM
Looks like all the Honda kickers are carbureted. No EFI?


Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: StreamFixer on November 04, 2017, 11:14:04 AM
Are any outboards, less than 15 HP, EFI???

StreamFixer
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: rockhill on November 04, 2017, 11:29:06 AM
Are any outboards, less than 15 HP, EFI???

StreamFixer

I bought a Suzuki 9.9 last summer that is EFI
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Threeweight on November 04, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
Suzuki has the only EFI kickers that I know of, and they just came out with them a few years ago.  Several Arima folks have them and seem to like them a lot.

Very different motors than the old carbed Suzukis.

Carbs on my Honda 9.9 have been mostly ok... just run it regularly (like 2 times a month, if possible, even if just on the muffs for a few minutes) and run it off a good fuel-water separator.

I had one issue with a little speck of junk plugging up a jet.  My fault, I let it set for about 2 months unused and some varnish formed in the carb.

Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 04, 2017, 01:54:53 PM
   Carbs or FI, you still have to have clean fuel.  Sometimes it seems you can't filter enough.  In over 20 seasons, I never, ever had carb problems with my old 94 Honda 45 HP motor.   I believe the dealer checked the vacuum sync  once.  With that exception, I never touched them; that is, except to drain the bowls if the boat was going to sit for any extended period of time.  I think the solution to some of these problems could be solved (for the most part) by practicing good "fuel habits". 

   These "habits" I refer to are things like:   Fueling your gas-guzzling tow vehicle (from the same nozzle) "before" fueling the boat.  Avoiding fueling at marinas located near the shore.  Changing your fuel filter "more" than once a season.   Being sure to always add an appropriate amount fuel conditioner every time you add fuel, and sealing-off fuel tank vents (where possible) to prevent moisture entrainment.  I believe it might be reasonably safe to assume;  anything that comes out of a tank in the ground could contain some level of contamination.  Our job is to find the best ways to deal with it.   

Yat
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Fisherdv on November 04, 2017, 03:29:04 PM
Yat, I totally agree. On a 1994 carbureted Mercury I had I only rebuilt/cleaned the carbs once in about 17 years. Had a very small blockage as 3wt described. Other than that the carbs had NO varnish at all. Almost looked like new. I couldn’t believe it. I would run Mecury quickleen (I’m a total believer in that stuff!) in every other tank (every tank if trolling) and a good fuel stabilizer. I also used Mercury Powertune carbon cleaner once a year. Boat has sat at times for up to a year. Garage kept. I also ran it out of gas before putting it away. Of course I kept up with all the usual maintenance as well.
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: SeaPacer on November 06, 2017, 12:35:13 AM
No one has mentioned buying a used kicker on here. I run a 1980s Honda 7.5 and love it. It’s old but starts 1st pull. I run a homemade I troll set up with the servo on the carburetor. And this old girl charges my batteries. What else do I need? It only cost $500. It’s plum to my main tank.

There’s lots on craigslist. Those old Hondas run forever.


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Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: darci on November 06, 2017, 10:42:07 AM
My old setup had the Starboard side saddle tank plumbed to the 6hp 1/100 two stroke six hp kicker.
 The 27 and port fueled the 90 hp 50/1 two stroke kicker.
I just pulled the tanks. the 1/100 saddle tank has just a smear of brown goo in the bottom of the tank.
The 50/1 side has about a fluid ounce of brown goo on the bottom.
My dealer removed and flushed the 27 gallon before he installed the new e-tec. He said there was nothing odd about the half gallon of 50/1 fuel in the tank.
Running PURE gas as long as it is available...Racor filter was my very first "fix" on Darci!
Title: Re: About those sponsons...
Post by: Sparhawk on November 07, 2017, 09:57:13 AM
One thing that I use my 6 HP kicker for is docking. The docks at Mystery Bay are packed pretty tight end to end. I can just come in nice and slow, tie off a bow line with a bit of slack, then slowly move my stern towards the dock and tie off. Also, it is great for trailering and launching because I can do the short 150ft run to the dock without starting the 70 HP. Trailering is just super easy to get in line and give it a bit of gas to slide onto the bunks a few feet, then crank the boat up the rest of the way.