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Title: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 05, 2015, 09:23:27 AM
Longtime lurker here.  I'm shopping for that perfect compromise boat.  That balance between function, form and economy.  It's tough.  I've looked at C-Dorys and Arimas almost exclusively.  They seem to fit that niche I'm looking for.  So far I'm leaning toward a 19' Sea Ranger Skip Tower with a DF140 mounted on a jack plate with trim tabs.  Tandem axle trailer with oil bath hubs.

Here are a few questions off the top of my head:

Are the new Arimas wired with marine grade wiring?
Much difference in fuel economy between the DF115 and DF140 at cruise and slower?
Jack plate.  I have one on my Kenai boat and think it's great.  Any reason not to get one?
Canvas for the skip tower.  Very expensive from Arima.  Worth it to go elsewhere?
Arima's website isn't the greatest for specs.  I'd be interested to know the dimensions of the cockpit.

That's all for now.  Thanks guys, Dave
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Threeweight on November 05, 2015, 11:14:11 AM
Are you buying new or used?  The Suzi DF 115 and 140 are the same blocks, I think the 140 revs a little higher, and gets a little different fueling map and compression to squeeze out the extra power.  Re: fuel economy... they will be similar.  The latest models have the "a" designation (so DF140a or DF115a) and will have Suzuki's "lean burn" fuel injection system.  At mid-range RPM's, if the engine isn't under much of a load it will lean out the fuel air mixture to improve economy.  The system works really, really well.

Jack plate isn't necessary unless you just want to run a XL motor for some reason.  The Arima transom is designed for 20" shafts, and their sterns have plenty of buoyancy.  The only people I know of who have done it have done so because they found a screaming deal on a XL shaft motor.

Skip towers are the best top arrangement on an Arima, IMO.  I have a soft top on my 17', but if I were buying new and had a place to store it a skip tower would be a must-have.

I don't have 19' deck measurements off the top of my head.  The beam is 8' at it's widest, and it tapers slightly as it goes down (plus the thickness of the foam liner).  In comparison to a C-dory, it feels significantly wider.

Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 05, 2015, 12:39:02 PM
Thanks 3wt. I'd buy used if the right boat popped up.  I cringe at buying a new one especially after looking at the option sheet.  But a new boat would be nice so if a nice used one doesn't show up in the next month I'll be looking to make a deal on a new one.

I may be off base but the reasons for the jack plate are:

Possibility of trailering with the motor down. (I've got this wild idea about trailering to Alaska and running down the Yukon to the Koyukuk for a little moose hunting.  Lot easier on the boat/motor trailering in the down position.)
In shallow water you can run in the down position longer before trimming the motor up.
Last, you can run the powerhead higher with a following sea.

Anything else?


Im feeling pretty good about going with the DF140.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Peddler on November 05, 2015, 01:05:50 PM
Pricing on used Arima's doesn't seem to fluctuate much between Summer and Winter, they might just sit on the market a little bit longer in the off-season.  If the boat is priced "right," it'll sell fast, no matter the season.

Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: headduck on November 05, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
My experience with the dory is that the fishing deck of the 19 is about the same as the Arima 17. The dory is a little lighter, which makes launch and tow a little easier but makes it a bit more slappy in chop. (Flatter bottom as well)

Trim tabs help with comfort and performance of both boats.

Personal preference is for Arima and if you are patient and quick, a decent buy can be found.

I liken the Arima to a jeep and the dory to a vanagon or wesfalia...the owners as well...one a bit sporty and diy, the other with sandals and socks...
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 05, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
"I liken the Arima to a jeep and the dory to a vanagon or wesfalia...the owners as well...one a bit sporty and diy, the other with sandals and socks..."

This cracked me up and clarified things for me as well.  It's settled, I'll be definitely getting an Arima!
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: GregE on November 05, 2015, 01:49:53 PM

one a bit sporty and diy, the other with sandals and socks...


Wow, I can see that illustration....




Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Peddler on November 05, 2015, 03:36:25 PM
:yeahthat:  LOL!! A perfect alliteration!  :clap:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 05, 2015, 04:07:47 PM
Yes, you can tell the difference between the C-Dory owner and the Arima owner almost instantly.  The C-Dory owner is the one drinking tea and smoking a pipe.  He's also generally well-dressed and has a flat stomach.  Another giveaway is his choice of reading material; usually a classic novel.   

The Arima owner, on the other hand, is the one holding some sort of alcoholic beverage in one hand with either a cigarette or cigar in the other.  Attire is "informal", to say the least, and the waistline is almost always something most average-sized people would find difficult to get they're arms around.  Oh yeah.....I can't discuss the reading he generally gravitates to as this site would probably not allow any descriptions relating thereto. 

So, do you still want to join us?    :jester:

Yat,  Arima owner.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Croaker Stroker on November 05, 2015, 04:11:02 PM
After many, many boats, I have come to the conclusion that one of the most important considerations is that I dont have to fuss over washing or polishing after a fishing trip. All fibergalss. Stainless fittings. Just a quick rinse when I get home and....good to go.

I do like beer, but not while working or fishing. My stomach is not flat. And I don't get seasick. Smoking cigars or othersise is not allowed anywhere near me or my boat. (Reformed smoker)

I do wear socks and sandals.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: First Cabin on November 05, 2015, 04:12:16 PM
:yeahthat:  LOL!! A perfect alliteration!  :clap:

Agreed!   :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can see myself in a C-Dory, but I'm not willing to wear the socks and sandals. :jester:

As to your questions:

Are the new Arimas wired with marine grade wiring?   Don't know.  Probably not.  I complained about that as loudly as anyone, but the fact is I would have had to rewire the entire boat anyway because I added all the extras.....radar, radio, fish finders, down riggers, etc...  Face it, you're going to overload the system sooner or later, you may as well plan on rewiring everything anyway.

Much difference in fuel economy between the DF115 and DF140 at cruise and slower?  If the motors are the same weight, I'd go with more horsepower, but my reasoning for that is I'd be 30 miles off shore in bad weather with a full load....  Really depends on how you intend to use it.

Jack plate.  I have one on my Kenai boat and think it's great.  Any reason not to get one?  Cost and weight.  Your reasoning is sound though.  If it is important to you, I agree.

Canvas for the skip tower.  Very expensive from Arima.  Worth it to go elsewhere?  Depends on how good the aftermarket is.  My Arima OEM canvas is 14 years old now and still in good shape.  My previous boat was a 1986 model and the original canvas was still very serviceable.


Arima's website isn't the greatest for specs.  I'd be interested to know the dimensions of the cockpit.  I don't care how many measurements you take.  You'll only know by crawling around in an Arima.  Go to Arima or find a local dealer, spend some time checking it out.

Sounds like you're really doing your homework.  Keep us informed.  New boat porn is always good.  If it is a C-Dory...don't bother...not into granola movies.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 05, 2015, 05:29:36 PM
I'm sold.  You guys paint a pretty good picture haha. :clap:

So, now it's time for you guys to help me spend my money.  I'm ready to start negotiating a sale.  Which options are a must have?  I'll be using the boat as a jack of all things that float, master of none.  It will mostly be used for fishing, shrimping and crabbing on the sound with the occasional trip out of Westport, Sekiu and the Columbia.  There's a very good chance I'll take it moose hunting in northwest Alaska too.

SR19
DF140A
Skip tower
Tandem trailer
Marine grade wiring

Here is the option list.  Before I talk to the dealer I'd like to have some idea what I want. For example, I know I want the companion seat on the port side but do I want the companion seat slider? How about the pedestal seat slider?  I like to stand so that might be something I'd like.  I think I need to go read up some more.  So many choices.

(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-051115171638.jpeg)
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-051115171716.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: blindmonkey on November 05, 2015, 05:45:23 PM
I have a feeling  member Amazing Grace is going to see things a little differently re the difference between Arima and C Dory owners  :jester:   :stirthepot:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 05, 2015, 05:48:18 PM
Here's the option sheet from Sportcraft:

(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-051115174624.png)


Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Tom Mac on November 05, 2015, 06:13:02 PM
If you go with New check the box for the Trim Tabs. I would also go with the sliders and foot rests for the seats, wish my 17 had them.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 05, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
This just popped on Craigslist a few minutes ago.  Very tempting.  It's pretty much what I'm going for.  i know its a low hour main and very new kicker but I think it's a little more than I want to pay for a ~13 year old boat.  The pictures aren't the greatest but it looks like it was moored from the staining?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/boa/5302580625.html (http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/boa/5302580625.html)
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: headduck on November 05, 2015, 07:47:41 PM
Maybe a little high but very nice with extra horse power as well.

Post the ad in the for sale section and plenty will offer honest feedback.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Tunacious on November 05, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
I like you put a lot of thought into the my first new boat
My biggest disappoint when I bought my first boat was I did not put any thought into the trailer.
After numerous brake issues and surge brakes I learned the boat trailer is going to be around as long as the boat.
Last year I got the opportunity to get an aluminum welded trailer. I got disc brakes also. I wish I had gotten electric over disc.
I know when your spending all that money on the boat you don't want to start adding to the trailer also. I'm just saying I was disappointed later.
Buying used you usually get the trailer you get.
As far as the boat goes get the foot rests hydraulic steering, Dual battery also. I'd skip the removable ladder and get one that mounts permanently.
No matter what your going to love your Arima.
For the record If I'm not wearing my rubber boots I'm wearing Romeos.  :clap:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Threeweight on November 05, 2015, 09:43:30 PM
The used 19' is overpriced IMO... it looks pristine, but that kind of money should get you into a 21'.  The main motor has obviously sat a lot, and has no warranty left.  Some nice accessories, but the electronics are dated.  The skip tower and upgraded trailer add some nice value, but not that much.  $25-27k maybe.

There were very late model boat/engines (like 2013) going for that kind of $$ this summer. 

If you are buying new, consider the 19 Ranger vs 19 Chaser question carefully.  Do you need a sleeper cuddy?  If so, get a Ranger.  Will a small storage cuddy suffice?  If so, the Chaser get's you about 2' more fishing deck.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Markshoreline on November 05, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
What is the price difference between a 19 and 21?  If you have room to store it I'd go with the 21.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 06, 2015, 10:16:01 AM
Just looking at advertised numbers it looks like about ten grand.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: StreamFixer on November 06, 2015, 10:18:52 AM
Jack plate discussion has been moved to Rockhill's Anyone running a jackplate on an Arima? thread..

StreamFixer
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 06, 2015, 01:52:29 PM
Love that 21 like Marks.  If Arima made that with a small two-place flybrige I'd probably have to wrestle the checkbook out of my wife's hand.  It would be a battle, but I'd win.  Only problem is, life would be awfully miserable for awhile...............until she got on board, or course.    :biggrin:

Yat   
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: GregE on November 07, 2015, 03:52:57 PM
Hmmm, sorta like this?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v367/Kodak45/Boats/Arima%2022/Arima%2022%20Fly%20Bridge_zpsblpaqyfx.jpg)
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Markshoreline on November 07, 2015, 07:00:55 PM
For a new boat $10k to two feet is a whopper, maybe why so few 21's out there. 

ThAt fly bridge looks scary!
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 08, 2015, 05:03:13 AM
  Greg, thanks for the pic.   See, it can be done.  That's a 22, but doesn't seem it would take much to reinforce the 21 top.  One thing I don't like about the bridge on that 22 is it's "openness".  Would look nicer and probably feel more secure being up there if it had a small fiberglass "surround enclosure" like you normally see on those bridges.   
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: StreamFixer on November 08, 2015, 07:40:53 AM
IMO  Simply more high weight on a boat not designed for that weight distribution in the first place.  I would sure not want to be in anything more than 'calm' waters running that craft.

StreamFixer
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Yachter Yat on November 08, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Fixer, yeah you've got a point.  Sitting up there would require a little common sense for sure.  That said,  the 21 seems to have a fairly low profile.  I think that, in and of itself, could qualify it as a viable candidate for that option.  On this subject, I seem to recall seeing a clip on Youtube of a guy being thrown overboard off of the flybridge of a fairly large cruiser.  I guess if it gets rough, it can happen......even to the "big guys".   

Yat
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: BurnsieBabe on November 09, 2015, 10:19:33 AM
Quick note about wiring.  We use Blue Seas for the panels and marine grade wire throughout.

Belinda
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Croaker Stroker on November 09, 2015, 10:29:18 AM
Quick note about wiring.  We use Blue Seas for the panels and marine grade wire throughout.

Belinda


 :clap:   :bowdown:   :flag:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on November 09, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Quick note about wiring.  We use Blue Seas for the panels and marine grade wire throughout.

Belinda


 :clap:   :bowdown:   :flag:

Thank you Belinda!  That's a biggie!  (Can you tell us when you went to marine grade wiring?)
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: strokersquid on November 09, 2015, 10:37:33 PM
For a new boat $10k to two feet is a whopper, maybe why so few 21's out there. 

ThAt fly bridge looks scary!
In my opinion the $10k more is worth every penny. The 21 is a whole different animal from the 19 and much more seaworthy. I looked for a 19, bought a 21 and never regretted it . When the seas get rough that extra 2 feet is a godsend.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on December 03, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions.  In the end,  Sportcraft hooked me up with a 21SR and Suzuki 140.  I'm pretty happy.  Looking forward to getting 'er on the water.

Dave

(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-031215195908.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Threeweight on December 03, 2015, 09:41:37 PM
Sweet!  I have admired that boat several times when I have gone to Sportcraft to buy service items for my motors.  I saw the price markdown on in... you got a screaming deal on it!
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Croaker Stroker on December 03, 2015, 11:32:53 PM

Wow. You did good. This is a great time of the year to buy a boat. That one is a good looker.  :clap: :beerchug: :bowdown:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: GregE on December 25, 2015, 07:00:45 PM
Any more pictures....??

We Do like pictures   :arms:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: HemiGTX on December 25, 2015, 08:45:16 PM
Congratulations!  She's gorgeous.   You'll never regret doing it right the first time.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Chasin Baitman on December 25, 2015, 10:33:53 PM

"I liken the Arima to a jeep and the dory to a vanagon or wesfalia...the owners as well...one a bit sporty and diy, the other with sandals and socks..."

This cracked me up and clarified things for me as well.  It's settled, I'll be definitely getting an Arima!

Hah! Yah I've independently come to the conclusion that an arima is the jeep of the sea.

As for owner personalities...i'm heavily biased, but arima folks tend to be normal, levelheaded types. The guy that cuts across your trolling line or does jerky things at the boat launch is usually driving some other brand.

I call them brophies ;)
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on December 25, 2015, 11:21:11 PM
Any more pictures....??

We Do like pictures   :arms:

I'll post up some picture once I get some rigging done.  I'm going to get a radar arch, some Burnewiin gunwale mounts, downriggers, BBQ, new anchor roller, Garmin plotter, ace line hauler, CMC hydraulic jack plate, etc.    :biggrin:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Tunacious on December 26, 2015, 10:29:27 AM
Congratulations.  Beautiful boat.  You are going to love it.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: GregE on December 30, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
"I'll post up some picture once I get some rigging done. "

hmmm,   It's winter, most of us are not actively boating........  WE don't want to wait until spring!!  Post em up   :arms:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on December 30, 2015, 01:16:14 PM
"I'll post up some picture once I get some rigging done. "

hmmm,   It's winter, most of us are not actively boating........  WE don't want to wait until spring!!  Post em up   :arms:

Haha, I hear ya.  I promise, once I've made a little bit of progress I post 'em up.  I'm compelled to show at least some activity since the original photo.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: wedocq on December 30, 2015, 01:38:09 PM
Sweet set up! Better start planning Neah Bay in May!
-Shawn
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: beancounter on December 30, 2015, 03:05:46 PM
Mark I don't know which is scarier crawling up there in a parking lot and looking down at the hard asphalt or getting up there in a pitching sea. Neither are for me will be taking the tower and controls off selling them separate to a cobia hunter around here.
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Yachter Yat on December 30, 2015, 03:07:15 PM
  Dave, congrats on the purchase.  That black belly band against the off-white looks fabulous.  Traditionally nautical, to say the least. 

Yat
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on January 15, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
"I'll post up some picture once I get some rigging done. "

hmmm,   It's winter, most of us are not actively boating........  WE don't want to wait until spring!!  Post em up   :arms:

First project done!  The hydraulic jack plate is mounted.  I won't have any performance data for a while yet but at least I can trailer with the outboard in the down position.  :party:
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-150116191859.jpeg)
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-150116191926.jpeg)

Next on the list is a radar arch.  Going to Who Dat on Monday.  The inflatable will fit under the arch.
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-150116190515.jpeg)
I'm looking at getting something like this:
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/7/8039-150116193110.jpeg)
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Peddler on January 15, 2016, 07:34:24 PM

The inflatable will fit under the arch.

Nice! But will the arch still fit under the garage door?


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Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on January 15, 2016, 07:41:06 PM

The inflatable will fit under the arch.

Nice! But will the arch still fit under the garage door?


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Barely!  I have 30" between the top of the skip tower and the top of the 12' door.  I figure I'll have about an inch to spare. It'll be tight.  :bigshock:
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: ATGEP on January 16, 2016, 07:37:04 AM
Be careful driving around. I almost lost my garmin radome on the railroad bridge by Shillshole marina. It cleared by 1 inch!
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: Mile2885 on January 16, 2016, 01:27:40 PM
Nice!  How hard is it to get the dinghy up top??  I might look into a similar arch for my HT.  Beautiful boat!
Title: Re: Shopping questions
Post by: rockhill on January 16, 2016, 02:07:11 PM
Nice!  How hard is it to get the dinghy up top??  I might look into a similar arch for my HT.  Beautiful boat!

The Achilles inflatable weighs 55 pounds.  It was a little awkward but I was able to get it up there without too much trouble.