Sea Doo would probably take out a "contract" on the guy who brought to the U.S. Ha See here: https://nzboats.kiwi/4-0-sport-new-zealand/ (Note: Won't immediately link to the correct model. I'm talking about the "4.0 Fisher". Just scroll down and click-on the picture on their site.) Would this be a much better alternative to fishing offshore on a "watercycle", or what?
Yat
Edit: I want one! I'll get three........one for me and one each for Salmon and Fixer. Ha I understand these are made by a company called Advanced Fiberglass in Dunedin, NZ Wish I could find more pics, or maybe a test.
More on the above: When you go to that site, click on "boats", then click 4.0 Fisher. A few more pics. Imagine that with a 50 Honda? Holy smoke.......I think I just wet myself. Haha
Specs show weight at 350kgs (a little over 771 lbs.) Do you think that includes the motor? A Honda 40/50 weighs-in a around 214. That would leave approx. 557 for that (roughly) 13'-2" hull. Would that be correct, I wonder??
Yat
https://nzboats.kiwi/5-9-agressor-new-zealand/ Again, scroll down and click-on the 4.0. Little better look, maybe.
Yat
Quote from: Yachter Yat on March 17, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
Sea Doo would probably take out a "contract" on the guy who brought to the U.S. Ha See here: https://nzboats.kiwi/4-0-sport-new-zealand/ (Note: Won't immediately link to the correct model. I'm talking about the "4.0 Fisher"...
THAT'S what you get
when an Arima mates with a Sea Doo.
:bigshock:
Old No7
That 5.9 aggressor ain't too shabby either! One of each, please!
Old 7; Ha.....that's pretty funny. I'll say this though: Market this little boat smartly, and you could probably say "goodbye" to about half the sea sleds currently sold for fishing purposes. Hey.....I was just thinking: Based on what you said, maybe Bo should consider buying a SeaDoo and locking it in room, overnight, with a Sea Hunter. It would be something this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZdUO3fizDg Haha
Yat
That boat reminds me of my dad's old 65' Glasspar marathon, but updated
Glasspar. There's a name I haven't heard for a while. I used to love some of those old runabouts. I especially liked some of the small Larsons. Despite their small size, those closed-bow designs did offer a fair amount of seaworthiness. That said, I'm affraid we couldn't compare those with the Zenith, as it's a bit of a different animal. 26 degrees at the transom tells us this thing is probably a little rocket ship by comparison. I can only imagine, this thing must take waves something like a jet ski. Wouldn't take long to go out 20 to get my one allowable Cod, eh? Haha
Yat
The best shots are if you scroll down and click on the picture of the 4.0 Fisher https://nzboats.kiwi/5-9-agressor-new-zealand Hey, do we realize what we're looking at here? I mean, how many of these little buggers do you suppose we could sell in this Country?........1000?.......5000? Maybe more! How many Sea Doos would these replace? I swear, every third house, situated on every canal, in every town and city, up and down both Coasts of Florida would have one of these sitting in a "rack" outside their door.
Me want! Of course, if I bought one, I'd have to send them a few "special Sea Dog parts" for them to install on mine. Ha Let's see: 4 safety cleats, small cast stainless bow roller, small 11" padded stainless steering wheel. And oh yeah...SeaLux 316 stainless bow eye. I'd also skip the canvas, rod holders and that stern ladder; I'd do those myself.
Now me "really want"! Haha Wouldn't it be nice if Bo could get his hands on the molds for this one? Paint 'em Arima's nice "Colonial White" and hang a Honda 50 on the back? YEEOWZER! I couldn't get my checkbook out fast enough.
Bo........are you listening?
Yat
Forgot to say: The decal on the side would say........ARIMA "Sea Scout". How 'bout that?
Yat have you seen the prices Aussies pay for boats downunder. Insane and would be even more insane imported here. Best bet is build your own copy. I do like them . Very sporty looking.
Bean: You're not taking into consideration the exchange rate between the U.S. and New Zealand. Use caution when seeing these numbers. Right now it's this: $1.00 U.S. equals $1.77 New Zealand. This is really a great time to buy. One of our members got a price on a Frewza (from NZ) this past January. He said a $32,000 Frewza was quoted at something like $21,000 U.S., after the exchange rate was applied. Shipping from NZ to San Diego was $2000. Additionally, he mentioned an additional 15% discount for export orders. I'm not sure how, or on what basis, that would have applied, but it seemed quite encouraging.
BTW, here's one of these "bare naked little devils" sitting on a trailer in a pic in this article. https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/zenith-4-0-fisher_topic89146.html Me want bad..........."Very bad"! Ha Guess I'm going to have to get in touch with these guys. I don't why Bo wouldn't (or couldn't) import these. Would make things at lot easier.
Yat
Nice little Fisher Yat. Did you notice in one of the pictures the two small, padded coolers in the jumpseat area? That's exactly what I suggest doing in place of the Arima jump seats. Two small Yeti coolers work great for that.
I also saw it has a 26 degree deadrise. Would probably ride nice, but could get a little tippy at rest.
Fisher; Yes, I saw those coolers and agree....definitely more useful than just having the seats. One thing though: When we fished with our 16 SC, I always used one big cooler; placed against the center panel ahead of the fuel tank. Just never wanted to give up being able to stand far aft and against the bait hatches. Just my preference, I guess.
Also, I did notice the 26 degree deadrise on the Zenith 4.0 Fisher. I'd bet you a dime to a dollar this thing is capable of running quite fast....and probably fairly smoothly, for its size. Something like a Jet Ski I would imagine, only waaay better, as it's a bit longer and wider. And, needless to say.....much, much "drier".
Yeah, this is no "tugboat", that's for sure. One thing about the potential of being "tippy" at rest, that you mentioned: While, yes, having a steeper V at the transom may exacerbate this, I think that could be somewhat alleviated by installing a fairly large set of trim tabs. A large set of tabs on that small hull would have quite an effect in acting to negate some of that movement at rest. If you ever want to test that, simply go to the kitchen cabinet, get two of your wife's dinner plates, and hold one in each hand underwater. Now lift and lower each, as though to simulate the rocking motion of a boat. You'll see what I mean. Oh yeah......I should warn you: Do not let the wife catch you doing this. Haha
In any event, if I manage to somehow get a nod or a wink from the factory on this little "Kiwi", then you'll probably be seeing a "listing" shortly thereafter. Don't get me wrong......it's not that I don't absolutely love my Arima. Donny and the boys did an unbelievable job building this little beauty. I've always kept it garaged, and it looks like the day I brought it home. I tell people: "You could eat steak off the floor and soup out of the bilge". Ha We put the new 60 Honda on a few years ago and, I'd have to go look again, but only have somewhere around 150 hrs. on it. It's just that, as time goes by, I find myself using it less and less. Guess you could say it's getting hard to justify having it take-up the garage space for the 4 to (maybe) 5 times a year I might be using it.
You know, the more I look at the Zenith 4.0, the more I realize how this boat may indeed be the perfectly sized (and designed) craft for people such as myself. Since the wife and I only go out on the best days, and usually not much more than an occasional 10 mile trip offshore, I feel confident this boat would serve our purpose. The other advantage may be how this smaller boat could allow easier access to some of the freshwater haunts we've always been so reluctant to visit. I suppose it's simply that I really no longer have a need for (what might be considered), a full sized boat. I feel as though I'm getting to a point where I don't want to spend as much time maintaining a bigger boat, nor do I want to have to dedicate the space to store it. I should admit; part of my mindset in this respect is probably due to the fact that my priorities have changed a bit over the years as well. Despite that, I don't honestly think I could ever really live without having the ability to get out on the water. These are just some of the reasons I believe the Zenith 4.0 Fisher might be the best alternative. I have to say though......whether this idea comes to fruition or not, I'll always be one of Arima's biggest fans.
Yat
I hear ya Yat. Personally, If I did not fish, I would not own a boat.
I hear you as well. To each his own....as they say. Years ago, that's all we did was fish. These days however, the regs for angling off our Coast are so restrictive, it's just not worth the 20 to 25 mile run out to the "Ledge". Whether we fish or not, it's just nice to be on the water. Sightseeing, swimming or whatever.....doesn't matter to us.
Yat
Yat, you might find this interesting........there's even a shot of your old VW Bug........
https://youtu.be/Q22GcmmnEBA
Haha......Yeah, I remember seeing that. If you don't mind aluminum, those Stabis and Frewzas are quite the boats. They've come a long way, that's for sure. Sorry though............"rugged" is one thing........"ugly" is quite another. That said, I think my little Zenith 4.0 is not only "rugged", but "irresistible" as well........don't ya think? Ha BTW, I've owned 5 "Bugs" in my life. None quite with the "character" of the one in that clip though. Ha
Yat
Well.........it's happened.........I've fallen deeply in love. I hate myself! Haha (http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/126-190320200001.jpeg)
Yat
That looks a little tight on space. I think we already have one of the best small boats there is. But, as you said, it's more room than a jet-ski.
You'd have to stand up and walk to the back just to change your mind.
I think it's perfect. BTW, a SeaDoo is a "motorcycle"..........this is a "boat".......I believe a "fast" boat at that. Here's what you would do with this thing: Try not to wake the wife as you rise early to go fishing in the morning, with your Zenith. Come home later and throw a bucket of fresh water at it, then kiss it goodnight. Haha
Yat
Yat, look at our boats again.........Yup, the perfect small boat! :anyone:
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/9220-290919220307-130281724.png)
You might not want to go this fast.......but "IF" you want..........that deep V says you "CAN". Ha (http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/126-190320202945.jpeg)
Yat
He better watch his forehead when he lands! Yeah, that would be a fun little boat.
Haha.....yeah. Course, what we got there is a pretty big fella. Just look at him against the guy sitting beside him in my first pic. Sorta like a size 12 foot in a size 9 shoe. Funny though, he still fits. Haha I would delete that canvas option and fabricate my own......with a bit of additional height.
Yat
Alright Yat, how about this.................
https://youtu.be/hdMBJZrBj3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KgAilTTZnQ Ha
Yat
I really wish Bo would consider contacting Advanced Fiberglass in NZ to discuss the possibility of importing this little Zenith 4.0 Fisher. Advanced makes bigger boats as well, but Defiance/Arima has those sizes pretty well covered. Consequently, the 4.0 is really the only model they would need in order to fill (what I feel is) the "void" in their line-up........and yes, shut-me-up, as well! Haha Would be awfully nice to be able to buy these directly from Defiance. With a bit of "targeted marketing", I don't think it would be too long before these began showing-up everywhere. As an example I sighted earlier: Place one in the Boat Show.....directly across the aisle from the SeaDoo Jet Ski display, and Bo might find himself having to lease a self-addressed-stamped C5 military transport to meet the sudden demand. Yeah, I joke about it, but can almost see that happening. Ha
Something else: In order to "differenciate" the models that come to Bremerton from those sold "Down Under", Defiance could have Advanced "tone down" that "bright white" and have them painted in Arima's off-white color. Additionally, cleats on the imported models could be upgraded to something like Sea Dog's 316 stainless safety cleats. Beyond that; things like canvas, rod holders, boarding ladders, etc. could be offered as options and installed by Defiance. Perhaps pre-rigging with Honda 50's could also be considered. I believe that would not only serve to enhance the margin on these, but make it a bit more attractive for some potential buyers as well. We shall see, I guess.
Yat
Edit: Could this be labeled...."Sea Scout". I say, yes!
Deck shot. (http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/126-200320112211.jpeg) Me likey!
Yat
Edit: Those two coolers must be options. I don't see those listed anywhere. I'd probably opt for one in the center.
That 4.0 Fisher kind of reminds me of this little gem.... :jester:
(https://i.imgur.com/dbshItQl.jpg)
She doesn't look very happy.
On the subject of New Zealand boats, Reflax America is another New Zealand boat company that has a warehouse here in LA now. It's not a pocket rocket boat like Yat's 2nd dream boat, but a nice looking boat, kind of has a similar look as a Arima's ?
I saw it for the first time a couple years ago at the LA Boat Show and again this year at the Fred Hall Show, and IMO, the only thing I didn't like was the wide open cuddy in the boat, but it can be draped off.
https://www.reflex-america.com/
(https://i.imgur.com/4Nxc94Nm.jpg)
The Arima hull design is patented. I can't see the back part of the hull, but I wonder if that infringes on the Arima patent.??
Quote from: Croaker Stroker on March 20, 2020, 02:38:38 PM
The Arima hull design is patented. I can't see the back part of the hull, but I wonder if that infringes on the Arima patent.??
Is this what you're wanting to see CS?
(https://i.imgur.com/WftoCsol.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0IqQal0l.jpg)
I'd say that is too similar. Maybe the Arima patent has expired ??
Quote from: Croaker Stroker on March 20, 2020, 02:58:19 PM
I'd say that is too similar. Maybe the Arima patent has expired ??
There are some similarities especially when you look around the boat.
A company I worked for about 10 years ago, applied for a design patent for a trade show booth we designed and I think it was good for 20 years.
Having spent the past 18 months working on securing a patent, Arima's only has as much value as Arima has legal fees to mount a defense of their IP. It's amazing what some companies try, and get away with just because the original patent holder doesn't have a 6/7 figure legal defense budget.
I don't know about patents but it has greater dead rise than an Arima.
AJ; That little boat you posted a pic of........is "dangerous". That's the kind of hull that can quickly turn into a submarine. If you would, just take a close look at the side view of this legitimately honest "small ocean-going craft":
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/126-200320130253.jpeg) This picture should make it obvious. It tells us why this boat is so seaworthy. In fact, it doesn't just "tell" us.......it "screams" to us. Can you see it? These Kiwis aren't crazy. Ha
Yat
Pursuant to the above, here's is a classic example of a poorly engineered hull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68AOltMu768 What's frightening is, this boat is substantially bigger than the one in your photo. My Arima would never do that. I don't believe the Zenith would either. If there's a moral to this, it's probably that, hull "length" doesn't necessarily mean hull "safety".
Yat
What exactly is Arima's patent? Many boats including Zodiacs, Pontoon boats, and other fiberglass boats have a forward transom design?
Quote from: Fisherdv on March 20, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
What exactly is Arima's patent? Many boats including Zodiacs, Pontoon boats, and other fiberglass boats have a forward transom design?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4492176?oq=arima+boats
Expired in 2002
Huh, looks like Mr. Arima was a busy guy...
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Juichi+Arima
Quote from: ohmytodd on March 20, 2020, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: Fisherdv on March 20, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
What exactly is Arima's patent? Many boats including Zodiacs, Pontoon boats, and other fiberglass boats have a forward transom design?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4492176?oq=arima+boats
Expired in 2002
Thanks for that Todd.
Quote from: ohmytodd on March 20, 2020, 04:34:56 PM
Huh, looks like Mr. Arima was a busy guy...
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Juichi+Arima
Super interesting... the description of the "whys" for our boat are great...the extended stakes/sponsors, were, along with the other modifications, ironically intended to reduce the need for trim tabs as well as increase buoyancy past the COG of the motor. Also illustrates the desire to make turns more sure footed as well as remove cavitation from typical strakes in v hulls of the day.
Fuel efficiency is key enroute and towing. Was '77 during the gas crisis? I was just a toddler and my memory is foggy...(73 and 79 according to google)
The hull sure has evolved, and he certainly scrutinized every fold and plane.
It was short 14'4", 7' wide.
Thanks for the share.
So, I was just perusing Defiance's website. Looks like Bo handles a number of different lines. I see Defiance (of course), Arima, Raider, StarCraft and (I don't know what this is) Sorensen? Anyway, with that in mind, I'm wondering if my little Zenith 4.0 Fisher couldn't find a "slot" in there somewhere?? Maybe Bo would have to have a number of "commitments" before moving on this? I'd be first in line to preorder, that's for sure.
Something tells me Advanced Fiberglass in NZ would be more than willing to gel these little devils in Arima off-white, as well as affix a few upgraded pieces of hardware, in order to get tied-in with a reputable distributor in America like Defiance. Keep in mind: That exchange rate between the U.S. and New Zealand (in and of itself) could make this very attractive. All I ask is the rights to distribute anywhere East of the Mississippi. Haha Bo?......Mr. Palmer?.......Bo?........Are you up?
Yat
Stop this one at 7 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhHGB7RMQNQ I know someone who's going to want mine......I might have to get two. Ha
Yat
Stop this one at 8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fh8pBokMDU I might have to get three. Haha Anybody with me?
Yat
Seeing this last pic has just about "pushed me over". I think this little Zenith 4.0 would really serve my purposes best, going forward. Just seems this small craft has so much going for it; at least in terms of how I envision it with respect to my own future potential boating activities.
Allow me to expound: Occasionally, there arrives a point in time when some of us come to realize that we live in parts of the Country where the boating season is (realistically) perhaps no more than about 100 days long. At least that's how it is here in New England. Couple that with the ever worsening climate; that dictates only a fraction of those days might be considered "legitimately feasible" for a small boat, and you begin to wonder where your place is in all of this. Just the other day, the wife and I were recalling the number of outings we did last year. Ready?.........That number is "4". Back in the 70's and 80's it seemed closer to "40". Further, we were trying to predict how often we may be going out this coming season. Truth is, with all the restrictions being imposed with this virus, and the list of maintenance projects planned around here, as well as the normal upkeep of our property; we couldn't see where we'd be doing any more. Hopefully, not less.
So, as you may be able to understand, my thoughts of downsizing even further are not just a question of freeing-up a bit more storage space in the garage, or not being able to keep any fish.........or, lessening the level of maintenance required of a larger boat. It's really a bit more complicated. Sort of a bigger picture, I suppose you could say. Don't get me wrong, our Arima is (without a doubt) the best small boat we've ever owned. The smallest we've ever owned, yet the one we've had the most fun with.
That said, I look at the Zenith 4.0 as sort of a "Go to Boat"! The kind of craft that can easily be deployed on short notice. What makes it especially attractive to me is...despite its small stature, it appears to be able to provide (what looks like) a substantial amount of protection from the elements. Something I never fail to consider as "top priority" in any boat. Here's the thing: Tell me what Ocean on Earth isn't "silk city" in the morning, and a bit "nasty" in the afternoon? I can't count the number of times it may have been nice to be able to go out for maybe four hours or so (before things kick up) without having to launch and service the "Queen Mary III". Admit it, you know what I'm talking about. And BTW......if things do "kick-up" a bit, I suspect that little deep V should be more than able to get you back in pretty short order. Possibly even without having to pay a visit to your dentist. Ha
I certainly understand that this boat is not for everybody, but I think it does provide a viable option for what could be many. Up to this point, I've been a bit reluctant to contact Advanced Fiberglass to discuss the potential of ordering this thing. Guess I was sort of waiting to see what (if any) response I got from our members. If there was any interest beyond my own, I thought perhaps Defiance would give serious consideration to becoming involved. I guess if it flops in "Arimaland", then I'll just go on my own.
Yat
Here are just a few questions for some of you:
1. Do you fish from a Jet Ski, and find your crotch is getting so red and chafed from the "saddle" on that watercycle, that no ointment (available without prescription of course) is helping?
2. Do you fish from a kayak, and are beginning to discover your getting "on" to a point where, very shortly, you'll have to be wearing a diaper in order to make a trip of any duration, feasible......but the potential of doing so, and having people find out, will be so embarassing that you'll have to move out of town?
3. Are you getting tired of having to launch and retrieve the "Queen Mary" every time you simply want to go fishing for a few hours on a nice calm morning? .
4. Are you getting tired of having to wash, clean, polish and generally maintain said aforementioned "Queen Mary"......as well as having to possibly evict whatever "wildlife" may have taken-up residency during its idle period?
5. Have you been on the water long enough, that you have "explored the far-away-lands beyond the horizon", and know pretty much what's over there?
Okay.......if you've answered "yes" to any of the above, then I would suggest going back to the beginning of this thread. Read and look carefully. Haha
Yat
Hey.........I'm "housebound". Haha
Glad this wasnt a pitch for ointment... :cha:
Haha.........a "pitch for ointment"? ............Hahaha
Yat
Here you go Yat.
https://youtu.be/EGIjzd1KSq4
https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/boa/d/saint-petersburg-2013-yamaha-sho/7097549186.html
AJ: That is "Exactly" what the Zenith 4.0 Fisher is going to replace. The other is that ridiculous $18 to $20K SeaDoo Fish Pro. BTW, I found some more "tidbits" on the Zenith. That's quite the boat. Very well made. In fact, probably the most practical (and beautiful) little boat, in its class, I've ever seen. I emailed Advanced Fiberglass to get a bit more info on it. Did so from their website, but not sure if it went through. We shall see, I guess.
Yat
Here she is, moving along quite smartly. Yat (http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/126-240320082902.jpeg)
Well....not wanting to wait too much longer, I emailed Advanced Fiberglass yesterday in an attempt to get a bit more info on this little jewel. I asked about a few specs, pricing and shipping. Haven't heard back yet. Course, its only been a day! Maybe they're all hunkering-down at home like the rest of us. We'll see, I guess.
Anyway, as I ponder this whole thing, one of the biggest "stumbling blocks" (in my mind, at least) seems to be the logistics surrounding how the hell to get this thing to the U.S........that is, if Advanced agrees to build it to my specs, and the price fits into my budget, of course. This company is located in a town called Dunedin in Southern New Zealand.
So I started thinking and researching........(I know, how "incongruous" for me) Haha. Interestingly, I discovered, the Stabicraft plant is located in a town called Invercargill, NZ. Funny, but this town is even "farther South" than Dunedin. Looking for a Stabicraft dealer in the U.S. lead me to "Boat Country" in Everett, Wa. At this point, I find myself wondering if my boat couldn't simply be put-in with a shipment of Stabis to Everett?? I don't know anything about the people, or the operation at Boat Country, but I'm now wondering if they would agree to accept my boat and hold it in their yard for me. I wouldn't ask something for nothing and would be willing to compensate them for their time, of course.
So, I guess my questions are: Has anybody out there ever had any dealings with Boat Country? Are any of you familiar enough with the people at this dealership......to a point where you could render an opinion as to whether or not they would be at least somewhat receptive to working with me on this? I would appreciate any advice.
Yat
I wonder how that NZ boat would compare to a Livingston 14 in terms of seaworthiness?
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No doubt those multi-hulled boats can take some sloppy water. That said, it's not a hull I would ever want to own. Years ago, I had occasions to meet and speak with two separate people who happened to own these "cat-styled" boats. Both were in the mid 20 foot range, and both were equipped with dual V6 Yamahas. Ironically.....both were for sale.
I don't know for sure, but I think on a boat the size of the Zenith 4.0 Fisher, that deep V design would (more likely than not) serve to adequately soften the ride.....especially given the conditions you would elect to encounter with it.
Yat
Here's your boat Yat...
https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/stabicraft-fishing-machine-turn-key.741446/
Quote from: Fisherdv on March 19, 2020, 08:28:43 PM
Yat, look at our boats again.........Yup, the perfect small boat! :anyone:
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/9220-290919220307-130281724.png)
Thought I'd repost this to show Yat again that we already have the perfect small boat. But yes CS, those Stabi's are sweet.
Croaker; Yeah, those Stabis are quite the boat. It's amazing how they are so able to handle rough water. Anybody looking for (what I generally consider) a mostly utilitarian little craft, could do a lot worse. That said, I'm particularly fond of the (similar) Frewza 14 Fisher. My problem is, I'm just not that crazy about aluminum. "Form following function", as well as "beauty being in the eye of the beholder" aside, I'm just not sure I want to be staring at a "mimick" of an F17 Stealth Fighter, sitting in my garage (not being used) 360 days a year.
BTW, those Stabis (as well as the Frewzas) are made down in Southern New Zealand; not far from where the Zenith 4.0 is made. That's why I was asking if anybody on the Forum knew anything about Boat Country in Everett, Wa. They happen to be a Stabicraft dealer. Being so, I thought there might be a chance they could take delivery of my little Zenith when receiving a shipment of Stabis.
Fisher; I hear you. In fact, for years, I considered mine to be the perfect small boat as well. It's just that, in recent years, my boating habits and priorities have changed a bit. I suppose some of those changes may have come about as a result of the tightened fishing regulations, but some are simply personal. As time has gone on, I've been finding it difficult to justify owning a boat even as big as my 16 SC; especially given the number of times we've found ourselves using it in recent years. Seems all I do lately is polish, change oil and walk around it.
Anyway...when I stumbled across the little Zenith 4.0 Fisher, you can probably just imagine what I might have been thinking. Here was a little smaller boat, with a closed bow that appears to offer a substantial amount of protection from the elements. It has a deep V that (despite its size) should provide for a softer ride. Being smaller, it would be easier to handle, easier to maintain, take-up less storage space, and (best of all) appearing to be seaworthy enough for those limited number of outings we do on the best of days. A truly "grab and go boat"..... not only one that would lend itself to the way we normally find ourselves making those "last minute" decisions to go, but also for the usually limited number of hours Mother Nature allows us to stay out.
We've actually tried to picture ourselves using this thing. Cruising along the Coast, gunkholing in and out of the rivers, estuaries and small quaint bays around Cape Ann. Running the 8 miles or so out to the Isles of Shoals on some nicer days. Maybe running up to some of the many beautiful lakes here in N.H. on occasions, to swim or picnic on deck while sitting under that big umbrella that I would have stuck into one of those vertical rod holders I would install. Are you getting the picture? Or.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyfVqA3HE0k Ha Sorry, it was just too tempting...........and I'm weak. Haha
Yat
I wonder how that little deep V handles on the drift? Seems like it might tend to roll side to side?
Have you seen any video of these things in action with a little chip on the water?
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Alex: No, I haven't seen it "in action", per se, but been looking. I posted earlier about installing a fairly large set of trim tabs on this boat; thinking that might negate some of the instability, but now find myself thinking: What instability? We really don't know! Jet Skis have similar deep V designs, that allow them to run quite fast in some tough conditions, yet don't seem to be that unstable. BTW, they're also not as wide as the Zenith. So, I don't know. The only question I would have is: Would this boat actually be 'that' much different from any other? The reality is, all small boats move.....including my little Chaser. I honestly believe, if it gets to the point where it becomes intolerable in this particular boat.......it would be the same in my Arima, and probably time to "pack-it-in".
Don't mean to be overly defensive of the Zenith. It's a tradeoff, I'm sure. Being able to "move along" a bit faster will, no doubt, cost you a bit in terms of stability. I guess the question is.....to what extent? The added stability provided by those trim tabs I mentioned, might be just enough to call it a "wash". Hopefully, we'll eventually come to see.
Yat
Quote from: Yachter Yat on March 27, 2020, 08:01:57 AMDear Bo: Would you please get us the Zenith 4.0? Thank you, Yat
Hey Yat, got a new tag line for you:
"Happiness is not getting what you want, but wanting what you have."
Grass is greener and boats are always better on the other side of the equator, but it's going to be faster, cheaper and more realistic to move down under than to wait for Bo to bring these in while he's still in his right mind.
Dream on. :wink:
Call me a "visionary", but I've got a pretty good idea of what would make me happy. As far as Bo is concerned, (pardon me) but I've given up on him doing anything that might not have been his own idea. I've left him behind.
Yat
Yat, remember one thing...........your 16SC is paid for. :wink:
Fisher: Yes it is! As would be the Zenith. Or........that 22 Arima......if I wanted it. It isn't about the money. It's really about how I see my future activities on the water.
Yat
Croaker; Take a look: Notice the "Queen Mary" in the background as they were hooking-up the little Stabi. Ha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJPdfAawfEk Almost makes me wish I felt differently about aluminum.
Yat
Here's one with a Honda 60. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkhOVNoiMmY I'm getting the feeling the "Mosquito Fleet" might be on its way. Ha
Yat
https://youtu.be/tE8lpOrlv98
Fisher: From what I understand, the ones that are shipped to the U.S. must also have those chambers filled with foam. Those little boats are amazing, but (for my purposes going forward) I really like that little fiberglass Zenith. That said, if I was a hardcore fisherman, who paid less attention to the weather and was a bit less subjective......I'd be looking real hard at that boat.
Yat
I think I found the only video of the 4.0 in action, well moving at 5mph.
0.40 seconds, don't blink or you'll miss it.
https://youtu.be/MJq3kf6kd1s
NZBoats might want to think about improving their YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOI5fLhiN8BrQgUrsuO-mLw
AJ; Thanks for that. Unfortunately, that's not the Zenith we see moving along. Somewhat similar though. A lot of those Kiwi boats are built with closed bows and high foredecks. Obviously for protection against the elements. All I can say is, there must be some helluva rough water down there.
Yeah, that Zenith is a little beauty! Did you notice the hatch in the foredeck? Allows access for anchoring. I can't say for sure, but it seems that feature might be useful for anchoring in a river like the Columbia?
I have to ask you: Tell me now..........and be "honest": If your boat went over a cliff, and was totally destroyed. Given the current, and potential future angling regulations (such as here in New England), as well as any other restrictions that may come to befall us........would you consider this Zenith 4.0 as a viable option for your purposes? Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the conditions on the West Coast, but I can't imagine they'd be any worse than "Down Under". That aside, if you fish mostly solo, or with only one other person.....and generally fairly close to shore; in fair to moderate weather, it seems this boat could well serve the purpose.
As I've said before, it would certainly be a heck-of-a-lot easier to maintain; not to mention, a bit more economical to run. Researching some other smaller boats with 50 HP motors, leads me to suspect this little creature would likely push you along at somewhere around 40 MPH. I also believe, we might be pleasantly surprised at how that 26 degree hull might serve to knock-down some of that chop we oftentimes find ourselves having to live with. Another plus I see is, the MPG with this hull could easily average in the 10 mile per gallon range. At that rate, 12 gals. would be more than sufficient. Heck.....even 6 gals., if someone used it primarily as a short-run day fisher. So....a little more to think about, I guess.
Then, of course, there's the specter of getting these to the U.S. My latest thought was the idea of having Boat Country in Everett, Wa. take delivery. Since they are a Stabicraft dealer (and the Stabi factory is close to Advanced Fiberglass) I thought they could simply ship these together. Unfortunately, I can't contact them until I hear back from Advanced. We shall see, I guess.
Yat
For you and the way you describe your boating needs and uses, I can see why a smaller boat would fit your needs, like the Fisher 4.0.
The one downside is the boat you like is only available in NZ, so there's no way for you to physically see it to make sure you actually like it's set up.
One issue I see is the costs on getting it here to the US, plus the possible paperwork that there might be in bringing a foreign boat to the US? I don't think it would be, but not sure IF it's anything like bringing a foreign car into the US 🤷♂️
Have you checked out the Stabi boat, in person, and see if it's something that fits your needs, meaning size and comfort?
I do understand your thoughts, because when my dad was alive, and he was about 65,(that was about 20 years ago) he started thinking along the exact same lines as you, including thinking about a jet ski. His thoughts were he wanted something he could, in his words, "fart around on the water" and that was easier to handle. He had that little 15 foot Glasspar, but it was something that was getting "to big" for him to maintain. He eventually gave me the boat, then after a couple years, I gave it to my brother since he was going to get more use out it then I was.
As for me in the scenario if I no longer have my SC16, I would still want at least a 17 foot boat. 90% of the time I fish with 1 other person and there are times when my wife and soon to be 2 year old daughter will go out with me on the boat along with some friends, so I would need the extra space. At this time the maintenance is not a big deal for me, we don't have really harsh winters and I typically use my boat year round. The conditions down here are not to extreme, but there have been sometimes during winter and spring, I wish I had a deeper V hull.
As for a decision if I was to not get another Arima, I would go for the Reflex boat I posted earlier on. After seeing it and walking around it, it's a great little do everything boat with lots of space. It to has a door on the bow that easily opens for anchoring and makes it pretty simple to solo launch.
I also found out they come with starboard panels that can close off the cuddy, kind of similar to the Ranger. Another thing I liked about the Reflex was the price and what you get.
The 485 (17' boat) is $35,000 fully rigged with a Mercury 90, a Simrad GO7 ChartPlotter/Fishfinder, VHF Radio, removable carpet, rod arch, swim ladder, Bimini top, and a trailer, not to bad.
Like I said, IMO, the Reflex is a do all boat which in the coming years, when my daughter gets a little older and her and her friends are wanting to go to the lake, it's set up easily for pulling inflatables and for people to get in and out of the water.
As you can see I've done a lot of thinking about this boat :jester: but since we have a young daughter, I'm thinking more into a boat that is a good all around boat that would fit our needs.
(https://i.imgur.com/F2mIr5Ul.jpg)
https://youtu.be/-K1TFDE7Kic
Yes, I've looked at the Reflex. Looks like a well made and well finished boat. Unfortunately, they just don't make a boat that fits my size requirement. BTW, I think you'd probably be able to tell where that comes from by the "Union Jack" sticker pasted to the side of that hull @ 1:26, right? I've never really heard of any problems with importing boats from New Zealand. In fact, right now there are two dealers seemingly gearing-up to fill the Northwest with Stabis. Those things are made almost "next door" to the Zenith.
As to the Zenith 4.0 though: I think the biggest thing it may actually have going for it is its "size". I mean, anyone who fishes offshore from a kayak or jet ski.....and (as a result) may have been deemed "certifiable", and thereby threatened with "institutionalization", would probably find this to be an appealing option. I joke about it, of course, but I'm sure you might be able to see how many of these guys could be tempted by this little "offering". Don't get me wrong. I don't honestly believe whoever is the first to import this thing is going to wind-up dining with Bill Gates or Warren Buffett. I do believe, however, that they could ultimately do quite well for themselves.
Yat
Found a listing for a little older model. Given the current exchange rate, I believe this rig should go for somewhere around $10k plus, U.S. http://media.cloud.2000.co.nz/SuperContainer/RawData/e-Business_Master/rSdYpLMQUJqpSgCHHZtKc6ZJAagZg3BpVsfJ2QSm9YmxuJfRjf/XhkKisZtutRpxkLiU3P2v1a267ZJH1t9NS5FEM7coxZF7KrnIf/Marine_Products_438/Other_Zenith_4.0_Fisher_2011_Albany_438.pdf Looks like this could fit on a Triton aluminum PWC trailer. I think those carry around 1700 lbs. with a torflex axle.
Yat
Yat, I found your jet ski alternative......
https://youtu.be/IcjgSJ9kE7s
Quote from: Fisherdv on April 03, 2020, 09:29:48 PM
Yat, I found your jet ski alternative......
https://youtu.be/IcjgSJ9kE7s
That must be the updated version of this :jester:.......
(https://i.imgur.com/wHViTABl.jpg)
(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/126-240320082902.jpeg) Absurdity aside, this is a glimpse of what you guys would see, passing you on a sloppy day, as you're heading back in. Any attempt to catch-up in your Arima would be fruitless.........as Mother Nature would begin removing your back teeth, and you're spinal cord would feel as though it's turning to jelly. I know, getting real on your ass hurts a little. Haha
Yat
P.S. I'm beginning to believe, these "Kiwis" are so far ahead of us, we'll never catch-up. Ha
Unfortunately, that's all it is, a picture of a boat moving across the water. With the logistics involved to acquire this boat, I don't see it happening.
They deliver Stabis by the boatload to the Northwest. BTW, Stabis are made almost "next door" to Advanced Fibreglass.......(Yes, that's how they spell it) Ha When the "scurge" is over, I'm sure we'll find a way.
Yat
If they were able to deliver that boat with a Stabi shipment to the NW, then you have another 3000 mile trip to the East coast. But, as they say, money talks.
Yeah, I know. I thought about that already. Maybe I'd fly out, throw it in the back of a 16 foot enclosed UHaul box truck, and just enjoy the scenery on the way home. I'd really like this boat, but I have my "limits".
Yat
Quote from: Yachter Yat on April 04, 2020, 11:24:35 AM
Yeah, I know. I thought about that already. Maybe I'd fly out, throw it in the back of a 16 foot enclosed UHaul box truck, and just enjoy the scenery on the way home. I'd really like this boat, but I have my "limits".
Yat
(https://i.imgur.com/m684Xnm.gif)
That's what I like about you, AJ........you're always so encouraging. Ha BTW, interesting to see the Zenith 4.0 Fisher weighs-in at roughly 770 lbs. Only 130 shy of a Sea Hunter? Rated at up to 70 HP? That's gotta be one tough little bastard. Judging by some of the sea conditions I've seen (from pics and vids) in New Zealand, I can see where it would have to be. Wow! That's a helluva place down there. Now I know why most of their boats look the way they do.
I don't think I'd ever do more than a 50 Honda on that boat. That said, given that deep V, as well as that transom design, I'd say that little craft has an extreme amount of buoyancy at the 'arse end'. I'm sure it would hold 60/70 class motors, no problem. Would be a "rocket ship". I wouldn't want it though..........I think simply being a "jet fighter" is plenty. Haha
Yat
When I repowered I would have liked to got a bigger motor, but I had to consider everything that I bring with me and people that go with me, when out fishing, so over all boat weight was the deciding factor.
My thoughts on a larger motor for you; nothing wrong with.....
(https://i.imgur.com/v21vcDo.gif)
:jester:
So, the way I figure it, the Zenith 4 meter Fisher looks to be about 1250 lbs., in the water. It's like this:
Hull (per factory spec.) 771 lbs.
Honda 50 (with prop and controls) 220 "
Battery 50 "
fuel (assuming 12 gals. w/tank) 80 "
Electronics and gear (est.) 129
Total estimated weight in water 1250 lbs.
From my research, it appears those fairly large PWC's (equipped to fish) seem to weigh-in at a bit over 900 lbs. While the "Z" is really a boat, and therefore, not exactly a fair comparison, the point in this respect is simply that it could prove to be a potential alternative; or perhaps more appropriately, a viable 'transition' for those who currently own (and use) a PWC for angling purposes. Further, and as I've said before, we can't really dismiss the prospective market that may be created from those seriously considering a smaller, yet seaworthy and capable, craft.
Yat
Well.......I finally decided to get a couple of quotes on what it would cost to ship the Zenith Fisher from Dunedin, New Zealand, to the U.S. Estimated cost to drop it off in Baltimore, MD. is $4000 U.S. Course, I'd then have to drive down, have it loaded on my dump trailer and haul it home. I don't imagine it would be too bad, at somewhere around 850 lbs. with the crate. Trip from Windham would be roughly 422 miles and 7 hrs. drive time...one way. I think this route would actually be cheaper than having it dropped in the NW, then shipped across the Country. Get this: As an alternative, Fedex would fly-it-in to Manchester/Boston regional airport, here in N.H. Nice part about that is it's just a short trip up the road for me. Oh...........the cost for that service?...........Just under $18,000. Haha Thought you'd find that interesting. Ha
The trip to Baltimore actually sounds reasonable. Trouble is, New Zealand's Prime Minister (a woman called Jacinda Ardern) stopped all foreign nationals from entering the Country some time ago. Guess it was a smart thing, as they've only had one death so far from this virus, and (from what we read) only a couple hundred or so reported cases of this disease. As a result, of course, things are as shut down in NZ as everywhere else in the World. So we'll have to wait just a bit longer to see what happens, I guess.
BTW, if anybody on the East Coast is reading this, and happens to be thinking about importing a boat from NZ (maybe the Zenith, or one of the aluminum boats such as the Stabicrafts or Frewzas), this might be a good time to give it some serious consideration. I don't know if this would apply, but just thinking of the potential discount the shipper might be willing to offer, having more than just one boat to this destination. Again, this wouldn't happen tomorrow, given our current situation, but just trying to stay optimistic about the near future; in the face of everything.
Yat
Hmmm
Yeah, Wiley.........those are kinda cool. Wouldn't have to worry too much about beaching.
Yat
Man.......She's a little beauty! Think I'm going to ask her to marry me. Hahaha(http://www.arimaowners.com/gallery/13/126-060420120352.jpeg)Yat
Recognize two things with that boat:
1) While it has a steeper entry angle, on that light of a boat it won't make much difference when coming off a swell and landing in back on the water. You'll still get that hammering we love in Arimas.
2) The aft end also has a much steeper angle so every time someone moves to port or starboard, the boat is going to lean heavily.
You're nuts to even consider for a fishing boat.
Here's my response: 1. Wrong!
2. Marginally wrong!
3. Fish? Fish for what?
Yat
Yat since you won't be fishing from this boat you won't need rod holders, so this could be your first upgrade :jester:
(https://i.imgur.com/hZUErFom.png)
If you go to the poly craft site you'll see that it's actually like a mini tunnel hull on the far outer 6" port and starboard, interesting. Also 18' size. By the time you add everything up it's not worth it but interesting designs
AJ: C'mon man......what'sa matter with you? Rod holders? Hahahaha Now that I'm done laughing, let me tell you: This boat will have four...........two 15 degree and two 0 degree. I'd only get 'em to hold canvas support poles, umbrellas, slide-in drink holders....things like that!
Rod holders.............haha That's so funny.
Yat
You know....the more I think about it though......if I ever change my mind, I might just use one of those "rod" holders, someday. That is, if I ever get the desire to make a quick 45 MPH run, (25 miles out) to get my "one allowable" 21 inch Cod. Haha
Again hmmm
? Interesting
Wiley; What kind of boat is that?
Yat
I don't know what I was thinking Yat :redface: This is more your style, fits right in those flush mounts rod holders 😄
(https://i.imgur.com/KDSInJcm.jpg)
Yeah.........that's better. Now you're coming around. It's been tough. Sorta like toilet training a raccoon. You're gettin' there though.
Haha, Yat
Quote from: Yachter Yat on April 15, 2020, 01:59:24 PM
It's been tough. Sorta like toilet training a raccoon.
You folks in NH do some pretty weird stuff in your spare time
Quote from: Yachter Yat on April 15, 2020, 12:51:08 PM
Wiley; What kind of boat is that?
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Polycraft
Damm raccoons !
Wiley: Oh....okay. I guess you must mean the white boat is a Polycraft as well. Interesting hull configuration.
Danno: I have to laugh. My wife always says: "The more I get to know raccoons, the less I like people". Ha
Yat
Another one for ya Yat
Haha........I must say, pretty cute little craft, Wiley. But unfortunately........nowhere near the Zenith.
Yat
Hey Yat. I just saw your boat on "Angel Has Fallen" on Netflix.
Uh Oh.......They blew it up 🤷🏼♂️☹️
"Angel Has Fallen"? I don't know what that is. Anyway........I'm a little "bummed" right now. As I said in an earlier post: New Zealand's Prime Minister (Jacinda Ardern) closed the Country to all foreigners over a month ago. Only relatives and citizens of NZ are allowed back in.....and that's only after agreeing to a 14 day confinement upon arrival. Needless to say (for the time being at least), it's put the brakes on my attempts to get this deal going. Given "normal" conditions; by this time, I suspect my little Arima jewel would have found its way to a new home, and the little "Kiwi Battlewagon" would be on a freighter.....steaming its way through the Panama Canal, and up the East Coast, to its new home.
Yeah, you guys can criticize this little boat if you want. I have no problem with that. I'd like to believe most of it may simply be in favor of good humor. In fact, hearing some of the criticism almost makes me wish I lived on the West Coast. It would be quite interesting to pass an Arima on the water, while running on a choppy day. Just the sight of an Arima pilot looking down to make sure his control wasn't in reverse would be something to behold. Don't get me wrong....I'm no "Deep V Snob"......I'd smile and wave as I go by. Ha
Sorry, didn't mean to get too far afield. Ha Comedy notwithstanding, having been born where the Ocean pretty much rules, I'm hoping this little "Kiwi" will prove to be as tough as it looks. Certainly appears to have been designed in favor of protection against the elements, that's for sure. I know this: Sporting a 50 Honda, it will burn less fuel. No doubt, it will be easier to handle as well; especially when launching at some of the "haunts" we've been reluctant to attempt with the Arima. No need to elaborate on the maintenance aspect, as that should speak for itself. And, judging by its hull configuration (despite it's size), I suspect it will probably be a little easier on the ride. One thing's for sure; it will take-up less room in my garage.....something I place pretty high on my priority list, as (like my Arima, in recent years) it will probably sit idle about 358 days a year. Ha
I have to laugh though, because there was a time we used to run-out to the fishing grounds 2 days a week. When I say "the fishing grounds", I mean a distance at least equal to (and oftentimes greater than) that of a trip from your Long Beach area, to Catalina Island. Nowadays, we get out maybe 2 days (or so) a month....and (mostly because of the angling regulations) never wander that far anymore. That said, I would never want to own a boat that would not allow me to safely wander at least that far offshore; that is, if I so desired. Another thing: I don't know about anybody else, but in recent years, not only have our outings been fewer and farther between, but have also been shorter in time. In the past, we used to leave with the Sun coming over the horizon, and run back with that same Sun in our faces. These days, I'd have to guess, our outings probably involve not much more than an average of 4 to 5 hours total, "time on the water". Still makes for a pretty full day with prep, trailering and clean-up.
So, in the final analysis, perhaps some of you can see why I'm leaning in this direction. Truth is, if I had found this little Zenith earlier, I probably would have attempted to move on it a lot sooner. Unfortunately (given our current situation), we are where we are. So, under the circumstances, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how quickly things open up. Looking forward.
Stay safe, Yat
I have to laugh though, because there was a time we used to run-out to the fishing grounds 2 days a week. When I say "the fishing grounds", I mean a distance at least equal to (and oftentimes greater than) that of a trip from your Long Beach area, to Catalina Island. Nowadays, we get out maybe 2 days (or so) a month....and (mostly because of the angling regulations) never wander that far anymore. That said, I would never want to own a boat that would not allow me to safely wander at least that far offshore; that is, if I so desired. Another thing: I don't know about anybody else, but in recent years, not only have our outings been fewer and farther between, but have also been shorter in time. In the past, we used to leave with the Sun coming over the horizon, and run back with that same Sun in our faces. These days, I'd have to guess, our outings probably involve not much more than an average of 4 to 5 hours total, "time on the water". Still makes for a pretty full day with prep, trailering and clean-up.
So I've been leaning towards a different approach lately.. dreaming about overnighter types. Maybe C-Dory again, or bigger dreams would be Ranger Tug, or biggest dreams being, Nordic Tug or ohhhhh yeahhh Rosborough... that way no reason to rush home and just spend a few nights in comfort...
C-Dory being the most trailerable of course, Ranger is also...
I still have dreams of doing the inside passage in Alaska and I dam sure ain't getting on a cruise ship until there's a vaccine...
Hey, a guy can dream can't he !!!!!!
:shrug9:
Wiley: That doesn't sound like a "dream". Sounds more like a "desire". Ha If it's a dream, then it's something only 'you' can make come true. I have to be honest; I don't blame you for wanting to do a cruise like that. That said, those days are over for me. I don't care what boat it is, after a day on the water.....I want my shower and my bed. Haha
Yat
I don't care what boat it is, after a day on the water.....I want my shower and my bed. Haha
Have you seen the Rosborough ? You can have both !!!
Wiley; I do love those. If cruising were my thing, the Rosborough would be on the top of my list. I especially like the spacious and "airy" interior of these boats. I also like the idea of a cruising boat with an outboard. Being "married" to an inboard can have its downside. But.........that's not where I'm at. Hey, I was just thinking how much I'd love to get the molds for the Zenith and bring them to Milton, N.H. Ha
Yat
James Douglas Rosborough
Published: April 27, 2020
Of Halifax, It is with deep sadness that we announce the passing of James Douglas Rosborough "Doug", age 91, on April 23, 2020 in Northwood - Halifax due to complications of COVID-19. Doug retired after 30 years as an MT&T Pioneer and who also built a full career establishing his business Rosborough Boats. Doug became a renowned yacht designer and constructor of wooden vessels that were built in Nova Scotia and sailed the globe. Born in Halifax in 1928, he was the only child of the late Ivan Halse and Grace Darling (Bowser) Rosborough. Doug is survived by his loving wife, Patricia Marie; his children, Kathleen (Doug), Bob (Shelley), Lynda, Kevin (Maxine), John (Erin); stepchildren, Linda Purdy (Rick), Michael Potts, Wanda MacDonald (Robert); and many grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Doug had a large life story, and lived it to the fullest. His creations, his writings, and his colourful character will live on in the hearts of all who knew him. Cremation and arrangements have been entrusted to T. J. Tracey Cremation and Burial Specialists, 71 McQuade Lake Cres. A celebration of Doug's life will take place once it is safe to gather (due to COVID-19 restrictions at this time). The family would like to thankthe nurses and care staff at Northwood-Halifax 6 Centre, and in particular we acknowledge the courage and self-sacrifice shown every day by all frontline health and care workers. In lieu of flowers, donations can be made to Northwood Foundation. To place online condolences please visit: www.tjtracey.com
Sad to see a boat building icon go out like that.. :yeahthat:
Think of it: COVID19 in Nova Scotia. It's everywhere.....and it's "SO CONTAGIOUS". It should be apparent by now, the elderly are at most risk. So........if you happen to be an "old fisherman"...........
Yat
Ok this ones for you yat, wakeboarding behind a Ranger Tug. Outboard
In my possesion, that boat would wind-up growing barnacles. Ha Amazing though. Pretty "light-on-its-feet" for a Tugboat.
Yat
Okay........here's one for sale. A little older (2009) model. Looks like about....what?.....9K plus U.S.? https://autoinsiders.co.nz/autofair/sales-ad/1558/Evinrude-Fisher-4.0-2009I
I'll say this: If I ordered a new one, I'd have to get it without the seats, canvas, rod holders and that "anchoring system". I'd also have to send them some "more traditional looking" cleats to install. Oh yeah.....and upon arrival at my door, the first thing I'd do is cover that entire floor with SeaDeck, and then replace that steering wheel with a nice little 11" dia. foam-covered stainless steel model. I'd also be thinking about closing-off the area under the motorwell with Starboard panels...%u2026.you know....like an Arima. Ha I'd have to check the dimesions, but I suspect a simple 12 gal. portable tank (tucked under the motorwell) would probably be enough to push that thing somewhere around 120 miles.......plenty for anybody, I'd say. I'll say this as well: This thing looks like it could take some fairly nasty water for its size. Given where it was born, I can see why it looks the way it does.
BTW, I've actually been trying to contact this company to get some additional info relating to specs and ordering. Unfortunately, I've had no luck. I don't know what's going on with this company. I'm running out of patience. I've tried contacting them five times now. Maybe one more attempt.........but that's it!
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Todd: Too small. I can't blow-it-up to read it. I see "Yat's", but that's it! What's the second line?
Yat
Quote from: Yachter Yat on June 05, 2020, 01:43:27 PM
Todd: Too small. I can't blow-it-up to read it. I see "Yat's", but that's it! What's the second line?
Yat
Looks like it says tats dreamboat... 😂
Really? Man........that Tat's a pretty cool guy! Smart too! Haha
Tat............Ooops.........I mean, Yat
:yeahthat:
Dang spellcheck again
It's been a while since I had a good read, I thought my subscription of Yat's Readers Digest had expired :jester:
Sorry AJ........your subscription to my "Yat's Reader's Digest of Wealth of Information and other Pleasurable Submissions" NEVER expires. (long title, I know) That said, it only "expires" when "I" expire. Haha (Now that I think of it, my "expiration" may come sooner than I expect,....if I'm not careful these days) Ugh!
Yat
Hey guys; Take a look at the lower shaft casing on that Evinrude 40, hanging on that Zenith boat I linked earlier. Ever seen anything like that? Almost looks like they put a 25" motor on a 20" transom?? Also seems to look like that motor shaft had some kind of "extension kit" installed. What's with the "fins" on that housing, just above the cav plate? Go figure!
One thing I do like though, is the clear vinyl across the front of the canvas. Great for visibility. Hey...maybe I should call Arima and suggest this as an alternative? Aah....on second thought...think I'll just cut my toenails instead.
Yat
Looks like the motor is mounted high (gap at transom) and and shaft is long. Attempt keep the power head dry?
headduck: Yeah....that's the only thing I could think of as well. I'd go with a 20" Honda 50 on that thing.
Yat
Just had to show you this: I call it, an "informal launch of my favorite puppy". Ha https://www.naturespic.com/newzealand/image.asp?id=48163 I don't know, but I think that Merc looks a bit overkill on that hull. IMO, the Honda 50 would be "the" motor of choice for that boat.
Yat
Yeah it does seem to be a little bit of an over kill :jester:
(https://i.imgur.com/mxZedtLm.jpg)
Quote from: AJFishin on June 23, 2020, 01:21:39 PM
Yeah it does seem to be a little bit of an over kill :jester:
(https://i.imgur.com/mxZedtLm.jpg)
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I thought you might go for twins ?
Now there's a rig you'd never screw with! Haha
Yat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnjF1O4eH0
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https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bod/d/anaheim-big-sale-2020-reflex-485/7214158128.html
Quote from: croaker stroker on October 16, 2020, 04:01:02 PM
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https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bod/d/anaheim-big-sale-2020-reflex-485/7214158128.html
They're the 2nd or 3rd SoCal dealer to be selling them. From what I've read, they're selling well, hard not to for the price and what you get standard.
This Ca. dealer is importing boats from New Zealand? I wonder if they'd be interested in handling the Zenith?? Still have to get it to New England. :doh:
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That is a nice set up. I do like how they have set the boat up. Excellent job of doing so and refreshing to see. Not a huge fan of the transom design though.
Quote from: amazing grace on October 17, 2020, 07:15:10 AM
That is a nice set up. I do like how they have set the boat up. Excellent job of doing so and refreshing to see. Not a huge fan of the transom design though.
Why not? It's pretty much a copy of the Arima design
Quote from: Yachter Yat on October 17, 2020, 04:52:50 AM
This Ca. dealer is importing boats from New Zealand? I wonder if they'd be interested in handling the Zenith?? Still have to get it to New England. :doh:
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The warehouse for Reflex is in Chino, about 30 minute drive from me. They first came to the US back 2017 I believe, and when I first took a look at them back then, they reminded me of Arima's in a way, if Defiance redesigned them to be more modern in design. This model and 19 foot model is kind of like a mix of the Sea Chaser and Sea Ranger without the protruding cabin on one side.
Last year the first dealer to be selling these boats is South Mountain Yachts in Dana Point, where they have the full line including the pilothouse boat.
https://youtu.be/PKpneBQjjGg
Personally the name "Chianti" doesn't go to well with boating, maybe a good name for a vineyard :jester:
it is similar, but is more sloping and seems lower cut at the stern to me. maybe it is just me. :cha:
Reflex appears to be pretty well built. That said, what bothers me is seeing that rub rail seam so close to the waterline. Additionally, that transom does seem a bit "busy". As with Arima, I suspect those curvatures add a bit of weight back there. I also believe, having that motor "indentation" decreases the amount of potential buoyancy, aft. It's quite possible this could very well be what contributed to Arima's reputation for being "butt heavy". I'm more of a Haines Hunter fan. Like this one: https://www.haineshunter.com.au/565-offshore Scroll-down on their site and you can 'slide' for more pics.
Of the boats I owned, the best transom design was on my old 77 Silverline 17 Nantucket....simple, yet effective. Seemed to hold that 150 Johnson up like it wasn't even there.
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I need look no further than this. https://www.facebook.com/616811875118219/photos/the-40-fisher-the-ultimate-light-weight-family-pleasure-craft-nz-boats-built-to-/619513291514744/ Now....how to get it here.
Yat
What's that?........You want more?..........Okay.............Here's one in progress: https://autoinsiders.co.nz/autofair/sales-ad/13689/4.01metre-4.1-metre-Fisher-NZ-Boats-2018 Now, if I could just get them to answer my emails. Hey.......maybe they think we have too much Covid. :facepalm:
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Quote from: Yachter Yat on October 17, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
What's that?........You want more?..........Okay.............Here's one in progress: https://autoinsiders.co.nz/autofair/sales-ad/13689/4.01metre-4.1-metre-Fisher-NZ-Boats-2018 Now, if I could just get them to answer my emails. Hey.......maybe they think we have too much Covid. :facepalm:
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Put on your mask when you email them. Then they might respond :cha:
Quote from: Yachter Yat on October 17, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
What's that?........You want more?..........Okay.............Here's one in progress: https://autoinsiders.co.nz/autofair/sales-ad/13689/4.01metre-4.1-metre-Fisher-NZ-Boats-2018 Now, if I could just get them to answer my emails. Hey.......maybe they think we have too much Covid. :facepalm:
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Even with the 33% exchange rate this one seemed very affordable @18grand USD. When I looked up the exchange rate I got a sense of how our Canadian nieghbors must feel.
RC; Yeah, current exchange rate is approx. .66. So........66x$11,500 is $7590. Not bad! Course, I don't want to talk about shipping. Ha Can you guess why I might be just a bit exited? Haha
Fisher; If I told them Jacinda Ardern. was a close friend of mine...do you suppose that might help? Ha
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RC; Yeah, current exchange rate is approx. .66. So........66x$11,500 is $7590. Not bad! Course, I don't want to talk about shipping. Ha Can you guess why I might be just a bit exited? Haha
I read the exchange rate as one NZD=66 cents US?
Yes; that's what it appears to be at this time. That said, these exchange rates are always subject to change.
Yat
I wonder how receptive this dealer in Chino would be to importing some of the other boats from New Zealand. Not just the Zenith, but maybe the Haines Hunters, or perhaps the Frewzas as well. :shrug9: Anybody know these people?
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