I have been pondering these Spray Rails for a couple of years. Every time I posted questions about them Gary (Canvas Guy) would say GET THEM ! My wife would say Why don't you get them ? I think it was the way they looked and the fact that they were just held on with tape. But I kept procrastinating, each trip coming home soaking wet.
So, when I finally decided to get them, the company went out of business!! I searched and researched for an alternate plan and found that the actual extruder that made the spray Rails was still in business, Barbour Plastics. While looking through their catalogue, I discovered several types of extrusions made specifically for spray rails on boats such as East Coast Lobster boats.
I ended up installing some solid PVC rails from their catalogue. Now that I have some miles using these, I can honestly say....Gary was right. They are awesome.
I am not sure of the need in other parts of the world, but here in Southern California they are a necessity. When we go south to fish, a WNW wind comes up at exactly 2:00 in the afternoon and the chop and wind waves come up the Port bow of the boat, then the wind blows it right in your face.
The new spray rails eliminate 99% of this happening.
We came back DRY yesterday afternoon in white capping 2-3 foot chop which we would normally be soaked.
I am totally impressed with these rails and would recommend them to anyone fishing in Southern California. There is only one downside, they have to be heated to be installed.
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This is why Arima widened the knuckle on these boats in later years. I get no spray from my 94 16SC. Got the wide knuckle.
Yat
I get spray from my 96 explorer. Bought Rokefin leftovers but have yet to install. It's on the list though. Hey CS 15'11 sea explorer do you think 5' is long enough rail?
I am sure Sam is really grateful... :whistle:
StreamFixer
:applause: you did fix that Hull after all i like the look of your sprayrails these older hulls should all be modified imho. :shrug9:
CS did you choose an atypical spray rail?
If so how did it vary from the others?
Do I remember corrwctly that you posted the install process?
My 21 has the larger factory knuckles but I get spray on the windshield. DSCS (Alan) says his 17 with Rails is dryer than my boat!
Quote from: Wiley on October 07, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
I get spray from my 96 explorer. Bought Rokefin leftovers but have yet to install. It's on the list though. Hey CS 15'11 sea explorer do you think 5' is long enough rail?
Yes. 5' should work. Remember to heat it.
It would probably make installation easier if you built a heat box like the ones used to bend window molding.
Quote from: headduck on October 07, 2017, 04:04:41 PM
CS did you choose an atypical spray rail?
If so how did it vary from the others?
Do I remember corrwctly that you posted the install process?
Yes. I posted some info. I used "R-1058" on page 14.
http://barbourplastics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Barbour-catalog-2015-WEB.compressed.pdf
Quote from: StreamFixer on October 07, 2017, 02:32:42 PM
I am sure Sam is really grateful... :whistle:
StreamFixer
Sam has been busy with his schedule. His position has changed with more responsibility and he has been traveling on humanitarian missions. He also bought a new boat, so any spare time is devoted to lobster fishing. (Which I don't like to do) So, we have not had many chances to fish together lately.
Quote from: Yachter Yat on October 07, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
This is why Arima widened the knuckle on these boats in later years. I get no spray from my 94 16SC. Got the wide knuckle.
Yat
Mr. Arima had Spray Rails on his personal boat.
Quote from: Markshoreline on October 07, 2017, 04:29:08 PM
My 21 has the larger factory knuckles but I get spray on the windshield. DSCS (Alan) says his 17 with Rails is dryer than my boat!
The knuckles are not as large and do not angle down like the Spray Rails.
I met a Guy who was a commercial lobster fisherman in San Diego who owned a Uniflite which he rebuilt. He added Spray Rails and built a really nice Pilot House. Interesting that the Pilot House was only two sided because the spray only comes from the Port Bow.
🤔He also said he got a new Diesel engine which he said he got a grant or deal from the government because the old diesel was considered bad for the environment. ???
I went with the same rails as croaker (Barbour R-1058) , Wiley picked up my other half (they come in 20 foot sections and will cut to order)...they take a bit of work to form the rails to fit but are worth it. Take your time when installing. If your boat is topless spray rails are a MUST! I have a skip top with canvas so I was protected but I found all the spray annoying on the windshields - really happy that I put them on.
If I buy those spray rails can I just affix them with 5200 ?
Can someone post a link to where to purchase ?
I'm tired of whitecaps hitting me in the face .
Just follow these instructions...
http://tacomarine.com/ccp51/media/images/instruction_manuals/Taco-Marine_Installation-Instructions_V21-0874_Spray-Rail.pdf
I used 5200 fast cure and screws.
But DO NOT use alcohol products to clean the gel coat or the rail if you are using 5200 fast cure. Taco Marine instructions state to use alcohol to clean surfaces but you will read on the 5200 fast cure instructions NOT to use alcohol products as it affects the cure.
I used the alcohol and acetone on my installation and had no problems as the alcohol "flashed" off instantly in the warm weather, but I would recommend following instructions on the 5200 fast cure.
I don't understand this thread. What's with all this "spray" you guys are talking about? :hoboy: All I get is a tiny bit of spattering (from time to time) on my windshield during most outings. I think the last time I used my wiper was many years ago off Martha's Vineyard,; on the way home from Chappaquiddick to Falmouth on Cape Cod. Couldn't help it in 4 to 6 foot seas..........with an all-too-occasional 8 thrown-in just for the hell-of-it.
Maybe the Chasers are less susceptible to the spray problem than the cabin boats? Or.....maybe if you insist on going-out when it's that rough, you just have to accept the consequences? :shrug9:
Yat
Quote from: Yachter Yat on October 09, 2017, 12:51:37 PM
I don't understand this thread. What's with all this "spray" you guys are talking about? :hoboy: All I get is a tiny bit of spattering (from time to time) on my windshield during most outings. I think the last time I used my wiper was many years ago off Martha's Vineyard,; on the way home from Chappaquiddick to Falmouth on Cape Cod. Couldn't help it in 4 to 6 foot seas..........with an all-too-occasional 8 thrown-in just for the hell-of-it.
Maybe the Chasers are less susceptible to the spray problem than the cabin boats? Or.....maybe if you insist on going-out when it's that rough, you just have to accept the consequences? :shrug9:
Yat
Yat, I have a SeaChaser. I use my wiper more trips than not. This summer I had a guy from Oklahoma fish with me a couple days. After a few days he remarked, "Man the water is always angry here." A calm day with no blowing spray is the exception here.
Now when I fish other parts of the world, the water always looks so nice! Headed to Cabo on Saturday....looking forward to the peaceful water down there.
I dunno, Yat- most trips are like buckets of water thrown on the windshield between the waves splashing and the wind blowing. Although today I ran 25 miles from Whidbey to Bell Harbor Marina downtown Seattle for an overnight stay and the water was like glass... go figure. Tomorrow the weather will change so that will likely be different.
Come out for a visit and we'll show you a good time!
Quote from: Markshoreline on October 09, 2017, 10:39:24 PM
Come out for a visit and we'll show you a good time!
Mark, you just want to get poor Yachter all wet doncha ? :cha:
....or seasick.
....or both ?
Yeah, Mark......I'd love to get out there someday. People have told me, if I ever go, I could leave my sunglasses home. Croaker thinks I'd get seasick. Fortunately, I don't have to worried about that. Just worried I'd probably get the "blues" in all that cloudy weather. :hoboy: Hey....maybe those cloudy skies would get me so "down-in-the-mouth" that I'd be inspired to write a very sad song. Then....that sad song would become a huge hit and make tons and tons of money, after which I would only rub elbows with very wealthy people who reside in certain parts of Southern Ca. and Long Island, N.Y. :smile1: I'm on my way! :jester:
Okay.......I'm done now. Wifey just handed me coffee. :facepalm:
Yat
Concerning spray - the conditions make all the difference....for the most part the spray rails work very well.
My water time is 98% ocean time and the first time I had the boat out with the new rails it was windy and choppy and I still had spray come onto the windshield and I remember being a little disappointed from the rail deflection, but since that first rail run I have had the boat on the water maybe a dozen more times and the rails have performed extremely well in conditions that were different every day. If you are TOPLESS the rails are a MUST.
Finally got the rails installed today. Have yet to try them out and forgot to take pictures. :shrug9: to bend I basically strung them like a bow and arrow between a shelf in the garage and the concrete floor to bow them, then ran heat gun up and down until softened. Let cool and install. Afterthought was you could use a 2" wide wratchet belt to bow and just keep heating and tightening.. Croakers way with heat box is probably the best way but had to use what was available.
Quote from: Wiley on October 15, 2017, 06:45:43 PM
Finally got the rails installed today. Have yet to try them out and forgot to take pictures. :shrug9: to bend I basically strung them like a bow and arrow between a shelf in the garage and the concrete floor to bow them, then ran heat gun up and down until softened. Let cool and install. Afterthought was you could use a 2" wide wratchet belt to bow and just keep heating and tightening.. Croakers way with heat box is probably the best way but had to use what was available.
Would like to hear an update when you get to try em, pics would be great too.
Fisher, looks like we're in the same bay, you'll probably be able to see them in action before too long, but yep will try to remember pictures. :doh:
So I got out and tried the rails today. Like Rokefin first impression wasn't good but on the way back not a drop on the captain. I did seem to have to run with the bow a little bit higher though. Sorry forgot the pics again
Picture in my gallery but won't load to here?
Looks good. Good job !
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I noticed on my last trip on the river that I was getting a bit of spray on my windshield while running in relatively flat water with only a hint of a ripple. I don't know what was causing that? No wind either. I haven't got it out on the bay yet cause I've been fishing salmon in the river but in the bay chop am I gonna get soaked without the rails? :shrug9:
Thanks C.S. Definitely followed your advice, much appreciated, probably wouldn't have attempted without
Quote from: Fisherdv on October 23, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
I noticed on my last trip on the river that I was getting a bit of spray on my windshield while running in relatively flat water with only a hint of a ripple. I don't know what was causing that? No wind either. I haven't got it out on the bay yet cause I've been fishing salmon in the river but in the bay chop am I gonna get soaked without the rails? :shrug9:
Unless you run with the bow trimmed up a bit yeah...you're gonna get wet some.
Quote from: Salmon King on October 24, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: Fisherdv on October 23, 2017, 09:22:34 PM
I noticed on my last trip on the river that I was getting a bit of spray on my windshield while running in relatively flat water with only a hint of a ripple. I don't know what was causing that? No wind either. I haven't got it out on the bay yet cause I've been fishing salmon in the river but in the bay chop am I gonna get soaked without the rails? :shrug9:
Unless you run with the bow trimmed up a bit yeah...you're gonna get wet some.
A little water hits my bow-eye now and then. ....but that's just a spritz. Nothing like the buckets that use to come over the windshield before.
Thx guys, I guess I'll see when I get it out in the bay and ocean. I hate getting my eyes burnt with saltwater :doh:
I thought the spray rails were normally installed lower on the hull at the chine.
Jim
I added it to the knuckle for two reasons. 1) Gary (Canvasguy) added his there and had good results. 2) Arima chose to increase the size of the knuckle on later models.
Previous to adding my spray rails, the water would slide up the hull past the knuckle and hit the Rub-Rail. The water was deflected by the rub-rail outward instead of downward. Then the wind would throw the water up and over the boat. Now, with the Spray-Rail installed, the water is deflected downward and only a small amount of errant spray makes it up to my windshield.
I am not making recommendations. Just sharing my experience. Use your own judgement. If you are not handy and familiar with boat/fiberglass repair, I suggest consulting a professional boat builder/mechanic or "Taco Marine" for a professional opinion.
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[emoji1426]Gary nailed the placement. They helped to keep most of the spray down this past weekend.
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Thanks guys for the pixs and the good memories of the FBG,,,Miss her i do .yoda.. :yeahthat:
Wow!! color coded and all...... :applause:
We need some more pics of that set up :arms:
Quote from: Holoholo808 on October 24, 2017, 03:42:29 PM
[emoji1426]Gary nailed the placement. They helped to keep most of the spray down this past weekend.
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Nice pic Holo, any luck?
Quote from: GregE on October 25, 2017, 11:44:26 AM
Wow!! color coded and all...... :applause:
We need some more pics of that set up :arms:
I'll try to get a pic of the whole rear deck setup next time I'm at the dock and will post on a separate thread.
Quote from: tc808 on October 25, 2017, 01:40:02 PM
Nice pic Holo, any luck?
Just a barracuda outside the kayakers by Kahala; big enough to have ciguatera to I let it go. One more knockdown on the 40 outside Sandys but it didn't stick. This weekend is looking good. Heard there's action if you drag small lures (4"-5").
Ooh tempting I was thinking of getting out on Friday if weather and work schedule works out, just finished changing the impeller in the main and drilling out and tapping a busted bolt on the trim fin that I didn't need to take off :shrug9:
The picture thread looks great and that set up will fish. Keep taking us along. :arms:
One day I'll be back there and hope to visit. This Ono hit hard for it's size
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Should have left the screws in and sanded the rails..
Maybe sand the gel coat too.
Yup did that
http://tacomarine.com/ccp51/media/images/instruction_manuals/Taco-Marine_Installation-Instructions_V21-0874_Spray-Rail.pdf
Quote from: Croaker Stroker on October 27, 2017, 08:56:45 PM
http://tacomarine.com/ccp51/media/images/instruction_manuals/Taco-Marine_Installation-Instructions_V21-0874_Spray-Rail.pdf
Side note - step 10 states to use alcohol on final clean, if you are using 3M 5200 their instructions state no alcohol products to be used - I would recommend no alcohol.
Quote from: Wiley on October 26, 2017, 05:37:33 PM
Should have left the screws in and sanded the rails..
Yes Wiley, I didn't see any harm with leaving the screws in. Mine are still on solid as well as croakers.
Bummer to see them come loose.
Wiley, did you use 5200 on the install?
Yep 5200
I was dreaming about Steiger Craft boats and noticed that many owners have added these spray rails....
They must also be a wet ride ??
So they were used in varying conditions last week with good results I'd say they definitely help quite a bit
How did you fix them ?
Put screws back in where needed