Hello everyone,
I've been lurking another site for a while and have frequently checked out this one as well. This one being the kinder, gentler version not to mention I have owned my SH for like 10 years now. She began life to me under a pine tree in somebody's yard across from a garage sale I was at. She was covered in tree sap with a blown up evinrude 55 and a flat tire. Just like a story my buddy had about picking up an 69 road runner I knocked on a strangers door and low and behold he had recently bought a new tin can so momma was happy to see me pull it away for $250. I put a 50 Johnson on it and fished her quite a bit from Manchester to NB.
It's an 81' and the floor has been weak the whole time I have owned it. I wanted to get on board here and share some of my build since I have not found a similar one anywhere. I will be pulling the top and liner to get a good looksey under there and will post some pics when I'm not busy doing ripout and glasswork. I have already removed my OB and just stopped out by the bremerton airport to get the knowledge Don has with this rework. The top is joined to the lower hull at the transom so after I unscrew everything rubrail related I will be using a cutting wheel around the motor well across the top of the transom.
I've seen some really nice work done on this site so forgive me if I don't have the most beautiful of projects. Hopefully, I can get some pics on here to share with everyone who is curious just what does the original hull look like. The one that started a legacy I guess. Or maybe I'm just flapping at the mouth now.
81? That may be the prototype. :wink:
Glad you are on board- more projects and PICTUREs to view is a good thing. :biggrin:
Wow.... looking forward to following this journey and this thread.
Welcome to the forum and thanks for the informative post!
I'm interested in how the deck is joined to the top of the transom... Is it glassed together? Where exactly will the cut go to separate them, and how will you rejoin the deck piece to the transom?
Thanks and like GregE said, remember the pics!
Welcome Aboard!
I'm sure we are all looking forward to the "play-by-play" of your major undertaking.
Trying to update with photos off of an iPad. Not working supposedly because the iPad pic is >512KB?? Can anyone steer me to an easy solution? Also, should this thread be in tips and tricks or is it ok here?
Go to Arima Forum/forum use/resizing photos and try one of the methods there.
Your post would be ok in Arima life or tips and tricks.
I finally got some work done over the week. Removed the rubrail, controls, and the door to the bow access along with the side pieces. I made this incision across the top of the transom. Not a very nice one either but it will have to do.
Then I found out that the transom area was still stuck together. Appears that there was some glass and peanut butter sandwiched all along the inside top of the motorwell to the top of the transom plywood. It took quite a bit of persuasion via kitty claw, hammer and prybar but it finally threw in the towel. To answer the question about how it will go back together; Don said that there is some alum extrusion that is available to cover that or now they also have some plastic molding that can be shaped with a heat gun. Adhere with some 5200. Caution: some of the areas where I had used 5200 over 10 years ago (at the outboard and parts of rubrail) pulled sections of gelcoat off with it. Are there anyways to mitigate that or is that just part of the game?
Lifted the top with a cherry picker on the back and 2 of us lifting at the bow. Prob around 230ish lbs. I'm hoping that the liner wants to play nicely now. Find out next week.
Here are the other pics
You are an animal! Keep the pics coming!
-Shawn
Liner is out! The foam still had quite a grasp on the liner after all these years....impressive amounts of force were needed using wedges and the cherry picker until crack-pow (not a batman analogy) was heard. There really isn't a lot going on under there. The transom wood also needs replaced though.
Way to get right to the heart of the matter. Have you discussed having Defiance 're-foam' and reassemble or are you planning on re-using the existing foam? If you cleaned/prepped the hull and liner it may be surprisingly affordable? Either way, excellent message thread!
Wow! Nineball, you're a brave lad. If I ever attempted that it wouldn't be called Project SH.........It would be called "Project Autopsy". :bigshock:
Yat
I don't recall anyone completely dissecting an Arima before! You are the man.
By the way, now's a good time to replace those tie downs on the bow and stern if they need it... :jester:
And I thought I was getting in deep with my project !! It's always good to see more pics of what lies underneath. I wonder if you have foam filled stringers ? My 82 didn't. Those seat pedestals are the exact ones that started my reno..."The Arima Hole Again" thread.
Quote from: markshoreline on March 23, 2015, 07:32:24 AM
By the way, now's a good time to replace those tie downs on the bow and stern if they need it... :jester:
And put in your kicker mountings as well :whistle:
Any thing else we Monday morning quarterbacks are forgetting to 'help' him :shrug9:
StreamFixer
Maybe it's just me but from the website description I had expected the entire thing to be foamed...except along the keel for drainage.
To tell you the truth, I'm somewhat disappointed in the lack of foam.
You are a far braver soul than I.
Thank you for including us in your trials and tribulations on your "remanufacturing" saga.
Yah, my quals are current for tearing things up.
I was having the same thought about contacting somebody over there about helping out us "recyclers" who can't afford a new hull. Anybody from Bree drive on this site? If not I will stop by again and ask about possibly buying the 2 glass stringer sections and seeing what options I might have for a foam "fill up" :biggrin: check the tires and washer fluid too please.
The only place I expected more foam was under the bow area. There were open voids under those 2 big areas. Almost makes me think about usable space for batteries or fuel but I'm not sure I want either of those enclosed up there. Believe it or not I have a couple boys who chill out in there still. They demand snacks tho :food:
Here's more pics. Apologize for poor lighting.
If this isn't the best project thread of all time, it's awful close.
When I spoke to Don before I started ripping mine up he offered for me to stop by and pick up the Fglass and resin that I might need, just bring containers he said! Sure wish I lived closer, but maybe good news for those that do.
Only wish I had the time, money and shop to dive that deep into mine. Good on ya Nineball!! I'm also tempted to put a few storage nooks in the empty bow corners and some foam to stiffen and quiet things up.
Stopped by and asked about supplies. They said they would sell me resin, cloth, and foam but they don't have epoxy and the roundabout $ figure for foam was 5-600. So I ordered a six gal kit of foam for just over 200 from gulfstream composites with free shipping. Also got some more epoxy resin and biaxial cloth. The six gals of foam is supposed to = 24 cubic ft if poured at 70 degrees. I hope it's enough. The budget (I never had) is gone so I will be getting creative. I'm thinking fiberglass stringers and transom out of ply.
Haven't made a significant amount of progress since the last post but the foam is all out along with the transom. Foam was fairly saturated and the transom weighed about 80lbs from saturation. A pic of the baby stringers is also attached. I know I can do better than that with glass.
Better shot of the lower
I continue to be amazed!
Just what is your background?
Have you done extensive work with fiberglass before?
I've given thought to adding storage cubbies in the cabin on several occasions too. Similar to the SR's.
WOW! Your boat is so....... disassembled! :jester:
I really can't wait to see the finished product!
I couldn't do that, take my boat completely apart. :applause:
I am wondering if taking it apart was the hard part or putting it back together will be the hard part. WOW!
If there's parts left after this one goes back together there will be trouble! :jester:
Quote from: markshoreline on March 31, 2015, 10:07:48 AM
If there's parts left after this one goes back together there will be trouble! :jester:
Good Lord Mark!...
I was eating a muffin when I read your remark....now it's time to clean the screen!!!
I know...right! We were thinking we could clamp the kicker on there and grab a couple 5gal buckets for seats!
SK my skills consist of only a few projects but I'm comfortable at this skill level. In one of those pics you will see a children's drawing board. Hopefully I don't have to say I'm back to it! :1zhelp:
Progress might be slow for a while as next week I'm off with the kiddos for spring break. Just picked up an alum davit tho so I will be looking for an electric motor to fit onto it.
I have been making slow progress on the build. Pressure washed inside and almost finished cutting stringers (2 pieces of 3/4" marine ply glassed in with a layer of cloth and a layer of 1708 biaxial across the entire bottom of hull.)
My issue is I know I overpowered it :whistle:
I have a 75 etec and a brand new t9.9.
Therefore, I have succumbed to the more reasonable conclusion that I need more boat :facepalm: this had better make sense to at least this board.
So, I just made a holding deposit on this 17sc. I know you guys say that the chines are different now than in 85 but what else will complete my knot headed impulse buy?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/boa/5011748935.html
I will still be finishing project SH but maybe not to the same level as before!
Hey, I just got my hands on a bigger arima :dance:
I'm anxious to see pics of your new one. The Craigslist ad has been deleted.
From what I have heard, there is not much difference between the Etec 75 and 90.
I see that the CL link is down. Here's a few pics
Wow! That was quick .. :jester:
The 40hp rude will end up on the SH. The big salt bracket and t9.9 I recently got will go here with the 75etec (320 lbs same as 90). It's going on my own trailer and let canvasguy know I need a top-or hard top??? Let's just say it was south of 5k
I love the pix of the transom wood and stringer. Very cool. I agree, amazing work tearing her down.
Nineball, with only 12 posts you have elevated yourself to the elite Two Arima boat owners group!! :bowdown:
So the plan right now is that I hop on a ferry after work tomorrow and go to mukilteo. I've never been there but the seller says it's close to ferry. I would bring the boat to port orchard and bring it home. My question (strange as it sounds) is what would wsf think of me carrying my 4hp zuke with me? I'm almost certain it is not allowed so I guess it will be thrilling having no kicker. Handheld VHF....check!
People walk on all the time with odd items. Call the ferrys or look online and see if they have outboard restrictions (due to possible fuel).
It says fuel containers must be carried in a vehicle. (Up to 6gal.)
It would be very picky to consider an empty outboard motor as a "fuel container". But if so, perhaps you could ask someone to throw it in the back of their pickup. :shrug9:
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/security/
Wow... I mean WOW...
It's nice to know your boat inside and out, but not literally! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Great move with the 17'er. With all the work you are putting into the boats, you deserve a 17'er.
Look forward to following your adventure.
VERY COOL!
UMMMMM now let me try this out...
"Honey, I just completely disassembled the Sea Ranger, so I'm buying a bigger boat!"
Somehow, I'm not sure that would work for me! :jester:
Congrats on the new boat and you win the coveted Cojonius Maximus Award for the project! :beerchug:
Progress has been very slow on the little boat, life happens. It needs to get reassembled and out of the shop so work can begin on the chaser. I'm going to use 2 pieces thick of 3/4" marine ply at structutal locations. That was the original thickness of the transom board. The old waterlogged transom boards were used as a template. Put a layer of epoxy resin in beween layers and then clamped them to the transom with enough resin to get good squeeze-out on all sides. Old transom must have been 80 lbs, new boards maybe = 30 lbs. The stringers are laid in place and some long wedge pieces are being bedded in along the transitions. It won't be perfect but it will be far sturdier than what came out! The rough surfaces will of course be ground smooth prior to covering it all up with the 1708.
Couple more pics. In the top one you can kind of see where i left a piece of old glass in place to keep stringers located at the same width as before.
Glad to see the project is coming along; it will be stronger than new when done.
Please keep us posted on your progress!
Nice work! I'm anxious to see the dissection and rebuilding of your new boat! :jester:
Glad you got it going again. :applause:
As I mentioned on my post waaaay back this must be one of the first Arimas made. I know the transom wood is fiberglass sandwiched on later models as well as the stringers. So I guessing the foam fill would be done more evenly too.
It's been a long time :biggrin:
I am putting this boat back together, mainly so it doesn't take up half of my shop! I need to get the 17' in here and try to get the tower made for the raymarine radar. Also, there is a TM260 in my near future that goes along with a wiring upgrade before neah bay on 5/10/18.
Anyways, here are a few pics of the sea hunter going back together.
AND
I lengthened it by 5 inches! Just kidding YAT
You really know how to hurt a guy, Nineball. Too bad though.......had you stretched it, I'd have given you 10 times what you paid. :whistle:
Yat
Bravo 9ball. Well done sir!
You gotta love it when a boat comes together. Looks great.
Your SH should be a shoe-in, along with the Strawberry Rock capsize rebuild, for Arima's Phoenix Hall of Fame.
Thanks for a great thread.
Nineball, if you get a chance and have the original Hull ID number, please post it here or pm me. You have a contender for the oldest Arima on the board. A (dubious) title I currently hold.
As to your work on the Hunter, all I can say is: MUY GRANDE COJONES AQUI! I have a small soft spot in the aft starboard quarter of my Hunters deck. About as ambitious I would ever get towards addressing it on a 37 year old boat would be a neatly trimmed and maybe painted piece of plywood.
You have me beat by 17 boats RC. And yes, I would leave a small spot alone and keep fishing IIWY. Don suggested the possibities before I started.
1) do nothing
2) cut out the floor leaving a couple of inches around the perimeter to glass back into
3) cut the bottom out of the fish box and glass the fish box to the lower hull
4) do what I did
In my mind I just had to keep the liner intact. I am giving the boat to my boys once they earn the right to safely operate it.