Greg was asking today about a lead pour. Bruce has hosted the last 2 years and has said he's out this year for hosting. Anyone out there interested in hosting? It might be cool if we found a location somewhere near Centralia, WA and that would make the drive from the coast, or Portland a little more doable. Of course that's just an idea. If you are willing to host, we can make it work anywhere!
Molds I have:
Flutter vertical jigs 2 oz, 3 oz, 4 oz, 5oz, 7 oz, 9oz I have used a single treble, single J hook, or double assist hooks on these effectively.
Bullet nose jig molds that use swim baits. 4oz and 5 oz
Triangle head (forget name) for swim baits. 2ox and 4 oz (I think)
Cannon balls:
For halibut weights: 20oz 24 oz 32 oz
For Columbia river trolling: I need to look again, but I think 12 14 and 16oz
Downrigger ball mold: 15 lbs
Crown Jewel from last year! Norwegian Cod jig mold. I think the weights are 18 24 and 32oz This mold was paid for by everyone that showed up last year! Thanks guys
I might be missing a few, I will post when I take inventory.
What do you got? Anyone interested???
-Shawn
Yes I'm going- but no space to host and I'm out of the way on a ridge.
I ordered ( 1 ea ) 2 and 3# flat sided bottom weight Hilts molds that I will bring.
http://hiltsmolds.com/RockCodSinkerMolds.htm
We need to capture some of the safety concerns discussion and get everyone who will attend on board .
Also, some brought clean, ingot lead that weren't paid for it, so better check in / check out procedures should be set up. It's a good opportunity with some great folks attending- we don't want to sour things for some.
Pretty good info in this
http://hiltsmolds.com/MoldInstructions.htm
Alrighty then!
It looks like I am hosting it. :doh: Lets all figure out who's coming, and what day looks like it will work.
Anybody got a good lead source this year?
Anybody got some lead molds they can bring?
-Shawn
I've got some if I can recover them from the buddy I loaned them to.
So the lead pour is in Puyallup then?
I didn't see the dates...
Quote from: Salmon King on January 24, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
So the lead pour is in Puyallup then?
I didn't see the dates...
We are still in the primary stages of planning. I am planning a
date. Not dates. :biggrin: I am fishing the Peninsula Salmon Derby Feb 17th-19th, So those dates are for sure out. Anyone got dates to suggest?
-Shawn
If you're going to host it choose the time that works best for you!
Quote from: markshoreline on January 24, 2017, 10:33:08 PM
If you're going to host it choose the time that works best for you!
Sounds good. Bruce and I will be pouring lead today around 4. You're welcome to join us. :biggrin: :whistle:
-Shawn
Quote from: wedocq on January 24, 2017, 07:42:01 PM
Quote from: Salmon King on January 24, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
So the lead pour is in Puyallup then?
I didn't see the dates...
We are still in the primary stages of planning. I am planning a date. Not dates. :biggrin: I am fishing the Peninsula Salmon Derby Feb 17th-19th, So those dates are for sure out. Anyone got dates to suggest?
-Shawn
Shawn...I'm hoping to provide adequate competition for you on those dates.
But....I need to find another body to go along.
Quote from: wedocq on January 25, 2017, 07:24:27 AM
Quote from: markshoreline on January 24, 2017, 10:33:08 PM
If you're going to host it choose the time that works best for you!
Sounds good. Bruce and I will be pouring lead today around 4. You're welcome to join us. :biggrin: :whistle:
-Shawn
I was just kidding!
Still open for date suggestions!
-Shawn
Quote from: Salmon King on January 25, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
But....I need to find another body to go along.
Are you referring to the lead pour, or the fishing derby? Trust me, the lead pour is well worth coming by yourself! Just for the downrigger balls along, its worth it. But we have
a lot of other molds that can make some pretty cool things!
-Shawn
Quote from: wedocq on January 25, 2017, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: Salmon King on January 25, 2017, 09:52:24 AM
But....I need to find another body to go along.
Are you referring to the lead pour, or the fishing derby? Trust me, the lead pour is well worth coming by yourself! Just for the downrigger balls along, its worth it. But we have a lot of other molds that can make some pretty cool things!
-Shawn
The derby
Count 2 red heads in.......I'm looking for lead now.
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Quote from: wedocq on January 23, 2017, 08:50:29 PM
Alrighty then!
It looks like I am hosting it. :doh: Lets all figure out who's coming, and what day looks like it will work.
Anybody got a good lead source this year?
Anybody got some lead molds they can bring?
-Shawn
Your funny Shawn. You ask if anyone would want to do a lead pour and get ONE response and its on. :beerchug:
Good for you, I'm in and thanks for hosting.
Yes, thank Shawn!
Well that's because I already knew Lingripper Greg Bruce2fish and James would most likely be coming over regardless...haha
Shawn, count me in for the pour. Just need to know when and where.
Still looking for date suggestions! I am out Presidents day weekend. Other than that, I am pretty open.
-Shawn
I suggest 2/25.
Got it.
We'll never meet everyone's best date- but this gives a month to plan.
Now you can start working on some nice weather and we'll be cleaning up some lead to bring.
NO dirty lead folks.
I got to change the date!
I have an important Union function I can't miss that day. What does everyone think of March 4th?
-Shawn
March 4th would work for us. I still haven't been able to locate any good lead, except what is still on my jacket from a couple years ago.
4th works for me.
That sounds good, I'll try to get Alan to drive us in his new truck down there.
March 4 is now on my calendar
:stirthepot: wear eye protection
I'll provide these
Does anybody have a 15lb pancake downrigger weight with fin mold?
Count me in. I have missed the last two due to being out of town working, but it looks like I wont be so unlucky this year. I have some lead but no molds, what can I bring to contribute more to the cause?
I'm in if I'm around. I may need to be in the Ritzville area for a memorial service however. I would like more of the Norwegian jigs and probably a few more 15 lb downrigger balls to lose. !! If I can't make it maybe I can get someone local (Puyallup/Fed Way/Tacoma) area to pick some up for me.
I may be able to come up with more lead if the group needs it. Shawn, let me know about that. Al
I'm in...haven't been around for a while, but I'm still here!
Quote from: wedocq on January 31, 2017, 07:37:34 AM
I got to change the date!
I have an important Union function I can't miss that day. What does everyone think of March 4th?
-Shawn
:yeahthat:
Great, much better. We will be driving back from California on the 25th.
Quote from: MJ on February 03, 2017, 08:04:57 AM
Count me in. I have missed the last two due to being out of town working, but it looks like I wont be so unlucky this year. I have some lead but no molds, what can I bring to contribute more to the cause?
LEAD is the number 1 thing! People will bring lead and think they are bringing plenty for what they want to make, but inevitably a few things happen along the way.
1) We spill lead
2) People don't always calculate well what they brought
3) People don't calculate that even with real clean lead, we lose a percentage to schlag (impurities), with dirty lead even more.
So first off I would like to say,
everyone who has come to these lead pours has been super cool. They have always brought lead, supplies, food and beer. We have always had plenty of help for setup, and tear down. One year we even had a very successful swap meet. (lets do that again!) There's only one area that I have seen problems, and that's having too high of expectation on the amount of product you get, for the amount of lead you bring.
So does anyone have any suggestions?-Shawn
If you see this man let me know. He tried stealing a bunch of lead by trying to hide it on his coat!
(https://scontent.fsnc1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16188_954238964587512_1369154479116337035_n.jpg?oh=885dbaf71311e289d50b5eb271b979b7&oe=590B33B3)
Hi, Haven't been on board for awhile. I still have access to several hundred pounds of lead from a fellow shooter. Just talked to him and if you fellows can use a bunch we will bring it over. His price is same as last year. $1.00 per lb. Rifleman
Quote from: Rifleman on February 05, 2017, 02:54:30 PM
Hi, Haven't been on board for awhile. I still have access to several hundred pounds of lead from a fellow shooter. Just talked to him and if you fellows can use a bunch we will bring it over. His price is same as last year. $1.00 per lb. Rifleman
We were about to send the dogs to look for you............ :wink:
I'm susre several will be asking for some clean lead
Quote from: Rifleman on February 05, 2017, 02:54:30 PM
Hi, Haven't been on board for awhile. I still have access to several hundred pounds of lead from a fellow shooter. Just talked to him and if you fellows can use a bunch we will bring it over. His price is same as last year. $1.00 per lb. Rifleman
Rifleman,
Is it lead that's already been melted down and cleaned up?
-Shawn
I'm in for 100 lbs, rifleman
Hi Again,
I just don't spend a lot of time on the computer. You are covered mark
It is in ingots of about 5 lbs each. I've always had a great time at the pour and hope to see a bunch of you again. O. K. its time to start thinking positively.....sun sun sun sun. Rifleman
Sun, sun, sun- I love dreamers!
Rifleman, I could use 100 lbs as well. Thanks
Bruce
Bruce,
I have you down for a hundred lbs. Rifleman
Rifleman, I could buy 100 pounds of lead also. I wouldn't need that much this year but would eventually.
WEDOCQ, I missed last year due to travel. 2 years ago there was a 12 pound downrigger ball mold. Will that be available this year? I'll turn 75 this year and don't care to use the 15 pounders. Although I will have no problem pulling up a big halibut.
Thanks, Don
I know I have a 15lb downrigger mold and I believe I have a 12 as well. I'll double check my box of molds.
Any left over up to 40#- my buddy Mike will take
G
Quote from: blue heron on February 07, 2017, 10:10:03 AM
WEDOCQ, I missed last year due to travel. 2 years ago there was a 12 pound downrigger ball mold. Will that be available this year?
Thanks, Don
I don't have anything other than a 15 lber, so if you can bring your FishAddict that would be great! I was texting with him earlier, and he's not going to be able to make it til late, so if someone else has a 12 lber please bring it.
-Shawn
I have a mold for large jigs that I'll bring. I believe they are 7 and 9 oz.
Hey Markshoreline: will you be taking the PT ferry? If so, could you pick up 100 lbs for me? I'll put the money in the pair of boots you left in my truck after tuna fishing!
Rifleman: do you happen to have (yet) another 100 lbs?
We are out now. So mark 100, Bruce 100 Blue 100 Greg 40 and Hemi 100. I'll bring a 10 lb finned down rigger mold and a jiggin' mold around 4 oz or so. Can't remember how heavy for sure. Shawn, where do you live? Do you need paper plates, forks etc as I have quite a bit if you need. Thanks guys, so you on the 4th. Rifleman
Good, I didn't wait too long....
Do you need help melting it down? It is in ingots of about 5 lbs each.
Guess I should have researched better..... :doh:
Goal is no dirty lead this year- see picture above :bigshock:
If any one else has some lead to sell I would like buy some. 40 - 50 lbs or so. Thanks in advance.
Everyone planning to attend, PM me, I will give you my address. If you wanna play some practical jokes on Russ, I will give ya his address too. :biggrin:
Put Rory on the tour list too....... :wink:
HOw many are we up to? Is there a manageable limit? If HEMI has supervisory powers we may be able to keep more in line...
Last year we took up a collection and bought a Norwegian Cod Jig mold. It worked great last year for halibut and lingcod. Anyone got some ideas for a new mold this year for the lead pour? As far as supplies like eyelets and forms for jigs, I was planning on buying a whole bunch of everything we need, and then putting out a collection jar to cover the costs. No need to bring me PBR. I cut beer from my diet. :doh:
This looks like it mike be cool, but I really don't see how much different it would be to the flutter jig molds I have. Now if this was a "flatfall" knockoff, maybe? :shrug9:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/122308360302?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true (http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/122308360302?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true)
http://www.ebay.com/p/shimano-butterfly-flat-fall-jig-160g-black-chovy/1413306261
Hard to beat $10 w free shipping
120 gr are $5.99 with $4 shipping - I ordered 3 for the same shipping
I just bought a couple of the pink and white 120g ones myself. I plan on using them exclusively for tuna. Way too expensive to lose bottom fishing Neah Bay! :biggrin:
Hey Shawn, thought of you when I saw this bad boy:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/spo/5997304766.html
Bet Bruce could fab that easy. But not-so-easy to store! :stirthepot:
Ya that's pretty cool!
-Shawn
I will be bringing my 12 oz jig mold. Please see the attached link for the hook specification as I will not be supplying the hooks. I have purchased them from sportco as singles 12/0 Mustad Siwash for around $1 per hook.
http://www.hiltsmolds.com/BigMojoBulletNoseJigMolds.htm
Checked the link - I don't see a hook specified for the 12 jig head...... :shrug9:
Do you have the BS 3 sinker eye inserts?
12/0 Mustad 34081. It's a straight shank ring eye.
Amazon seems to have them Only in 100 packs.
Any sources for smaller quantities?
I thought 100 WAS a small quantity
:biggrin:
Ok............ bring the hooks- we'll get $ome from you :wink:
$87 per 100 ( + shipping? ) I'll give you $10 for 10 :arms:
As our friend Gomer said surprise surprise surprise. I was cleaning my garage. I found a DO-IT 16 oz spire point jig mold and a box of Mustad 34081D. I'll have them at the pour. I should maybe clean more often. Rifleman
Oh boy.. 12/0 hooks?
pronounced Su prih es :biggrin:
C'mon, GregE..
You know your money has no value with me..
Does anyone have a 4 oz torpedo mold for rock fishing?
I'm not going to be able to attend the lead pour this year, but I reserved 100 lbs of lead from Rifleman. If someone attending the pour needs the lead, they can purchase the lead I reserved from him.
Rifleman: If no one is interested, I will honor my commitment and buy the lead, but I'll have to meet you in Gig Harbor some afternoon to pick it up.
Or, I'll pack it for you D. Not in a rucksack though
Hemi, Not a problem. Your not going fishing instead are you? Rifleman
He SAys he's working on his shop/ parking garage. :shrug9: Gotta have room for those Hemis
If that's what he's doing he may have to miss NB too!
Now that the boat is sort of finished and the fishing seasons are so short, I'm concerned that those hobbies won't leave me suitably broke anymore. Finishing the shop will ensure a lifetime of destitution, and not having to figure out what to do with money is one less stress in my life.
So if someone going to the lead pour needs lead, I'll give up my share. If not, I'm more than happy to buy it from Rifleman. I pretty much buy lead any chance I get.
Quote from: Rjr812 on February 19, 2017, 08:20:51 AM
Does anyone have a 4 oz torpedo mold for rock fishing?
If we are thinking of the same thing, yes I have that! Haha
I have been looking at the weather forecast for this upcoming lead pour. Seems it is going to rain or have showers. My question to the crowd, What if it is not a dry forecast? Are canopies safe enough? Rifleman
Quote from: Rifleman on February 26, 2017, 06:43:17 PM
I have been looking at the weather forecast for this upcoming lead pour. Seems it is going to rain or have showers. My question to the crowd, What if it is not a dry forecast? Are canopies safe enough? Rifleman
YUP! We will make it work. I am planning on setting up around 8am and hopefully pouring by 9. I figure people will be coming and going most of the day. If you need my address
PM ME.Who wants to organize the food? I got a lot of irons in the fire right now! BBQ will be available, also a bathroom.
Good news Blue Heron: I do have a 12 pound DR ball mold.
Here's what I got:
Flutter jigs: (vertical jigs)
2 oz
3oz
5oz
7oz
9oz
Cannon balls for river fishing and halibut:
12oz
16oz
2lbs
2.5lbs
3lbs
Downrigger balls
12lbs
15lbs
Norwegian cod Jib
20oz
24oz
32oz
-Shawn