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Title: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on July 08, 2013, 12:19:17 AM
Well, I was all ready to go fishing this weekend, but the weather didn't cooperate (small craft advisory with 30mph winds and 7-foot seas :bigshock:). So instead, I spent some quality time on the boat in the driveway. Among other things, I decided to install the new wipers I bought last fall. I didn't get everything quite finished yet (switches are on order - and I still need to complete some wiring), but the hard part is done. I managed to drill a couple of holes in the boat and mount the new wiper motors, along with pantographic arms (AFI #33032A), and wiper blades (that ended up being too long :hoboy:).

And here's the best part - the motors were only $30 each! Well, $30 plus freight. But that would have been about the same no matter which motors I ended up with. So, I'm sticking with $30 for the cost. :berry: Here's a link to the motors I bought... LINK (http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=5-1789-B&catname=)

So... That's the good news. The ... ummm ... not so good news is this - these motors come with a HI-PARK-LOW switch mounted on the chassis. And I didn't really want to be reaching into the cuddy every time I needed to turn 'em on or off. So, instead of paying $150-200 each for motors with proper wiring terminals, I decided to remove the on-board switches and reconfigure the wiring so I could mount switches where they should be - at the helm.

I haven't got that part done yet, but here's the plan:

Now, the only thing I need to decide is what size wiper blades I want. I bought 12-inch blades to use with the 85-degree sweep, but they are just a tad too long. No matter how much I adjust 'em, they hit either the top or the bottom of the window frame. So, after much experimentation, it looks like I have two choices. Either use 11-inch blades with the 85-degree sweep, which wipes more vertical area; or use 10-inch blades with the 110-degree sweep, which wipes more horizontal area. I'm leaning toward the 10/110 setup to so I get the most width I can.

Either way, this should be a huge improvement over the single lethargic wiper that I had. I'll be able to wipe both windows, or each window independently if the wind is driving spray on only one window. And - my wife will actually be able to see when it's raining. :clap:

When It's all said and done, the final tally will be:

For a grand total of: About $260 plus freight.

Not too shabby, considering most places want to sell a similar motor (http://www.boatbandit.com/afi-34001-mrv-80-sweep-2-speed-wiper-motor-15009.aspx) that is non-switched, and pre-terminated for about $180+ each. So I saved about $300 doing it this way, or about 50% of the cost of parts, in exchange for an hour or so to remove the switches and install a couple of terminal blocks. To me, that's totally worth it. :biggrin:

Here's a quick picture I took of the motors/arms/blades mounted temporarily (they'll have to come off again when I'm ready to finish the wiring).

Oh, and I still have to clean up the mess I made on the fore-deck and fill the holes from the old wiper motor (epoxy in a couple of dowels and a cover 'em with a dab of gel coat).

(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-07-07001002_zps8e0df26b.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-07-07001002_zps8e0df26b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: pnwislanddog on July 08, 2013, 08:30:03 AM
Sounds like you have a solid plan and you've certainly done your homework. My older Arima also suffers from TWS (tired wiper syndrome), and I'd like to cure it. All the links you provide will save me a ton of time when I finally get around to it. Of course, here in the beautiful PNW, we seldom have to worry about rain spoiling our outings.  :arms:

Speaking as an ex-Alaskan, one thing puzzles me. Your use of terminal blocks simply doesn't conform to the Alaskan duct tape way of life. And a small patch of blue poly tarp will cover those old wiper motor holes just fine.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Salmon King on July 08, 2013, 05:00:32 PM
Interesting solution AK...

Not to change the subject but I have to ask...
WHAT is the purpose of the strut in the center of the windshield?

S.K.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on July 08, 2013, 05:30:54 PM
It's a strut I installed to brace the skiff-top against the pounding in the chop. The screwed together aluminum window frames offer little support against the forward momentum of the heavy Fiberglas top. Now... if I welded the window frames into a solid unit, I probably wouldn't need the strut.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on July 11, 2013, 10:09:21 PM
ak
Great to see you back here!  Hope all is well for you now.

I have the single lethargic wiper so use RainX and when it wears off I swipe the wiper.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: CanvasGuy on July 12, 2013, 04:47:02 AM
Quote from: ak-angler on July 08, 2013, 05:30:54 PM
It's a strut I installed to brace the skiff-top against the pounding in the chop. The screwed together aluminum window frames offer little support against the forward momentum of the heavy Fiberglas top. Now... if I welded the window frames into a solid unit, I probably wouldn't need the strut.
Hi AK,good to see you posting ..nice wiper install thanks for sharing..
I thought the brace was just for that...after having rode in a couple 19's and a 21 Hard top..and seen the movement on  chop...
Another great benefit of having a custom Built Top that is as stable as the hull..
no shaking or extra movement on my setup..just love the headroom and stability
allowing access around the bow.. while playing a fish.... one handed though... :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on July 15, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
Thanks for the comments, guys. I know I haven't been around much - and my posts are pretty sporadic. I'm still dealing with family medical "stuff", but I do try to keep up with the site as much as I can.

Anyway, I got the rest of the parts in. So, I'm hoping to get the system properly installed this week. We'll see how that goes. I think I have a good plan for getting everything hooked up so it'll work the way I think it should.

I'll try to remember to take pictures... I know how you guys like pictures. :wink:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on July 16, 2013, 10:21:10 PM
Thanks for checking in, I'd really like to do the same upgrade but question whether the motors are up to salt water use.  What did you consider about that?  Please post your final install notes.
I've been pretty MIA lately too, with a honey do list that was driven by a 13 family member visit for daugher's HS graduation.  Now we're in boogie mode for a trip to Nootka on Thursday, yeah!  Can't
waitt!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on July 17, 2013, 01:23:43 AM
My only real consideration was that the motors were only $30 each (plus $15 shipping). If I had to replace them every two years, I'd still be money ahead 8 years from now - even with freight. So... there's that.

Besides, they're Marinco motors. And, as far as I can tell, they don't make a 'saltwater' version. So, they should last as long as any of their other units.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: SRanger on July 17, 2013, 09:20:54 AM
Wonder what they do to get a "saltwater" rating.  If it is sealed nothing should be getting inside to cause corrosion or damage.  Beats me why they charge an arm and a leg for these motors.  Same thing with the pot puller motors...although they are more exposed than the wiper motors on an Arima.  That is a good price you posted AK.  Curious how you rewire the switch:)

SR
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on August 18, 2013, 10:41:50 PM
So... It took me a while to find the time to re-wire the wiper motors, but today was finally the day. AND, I even remembered to take pictures along the way...

As I said before, the motors had HI/LO switches mounted on the chassis, and these needed to be removed so that I could control them from the helm.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001003_zps9272e355.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001003_zps9272e355.jpg.html)
Opening the motors revealed the switch attached to some very short wires.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001006_zps1871bed3.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001006_zps1871bed3.jpg.html)
So, one by one, I snipped them off close to the switch, and marked each with colored heat shrink to keep track of which ones went where. After snipping the wires, I removed the switch from the cover plate.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001009_zpsf8d45b29.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001009_zpsf8d45b29.jpg.html)
Then, I plugged the switch hole with a grommet...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001011_zpsdc6e4b6b.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001011_zpsdc6e4b6b.jpg.html)
... and terminated the tiny wires (they are tinned, by the way).
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001012_zpsfc79420e.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001012_zpsfc79420e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on August 18, 2013, 10:43:23 PM
Although they were plugged with some kind of liquid rubber, the main chassis has holes for studs, so I decided to use them instead of adding a separate terminal block like I had originally intended.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001013_zpsb5d2435d.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001013_zpsb5d2435d.jpg.html)
But, I did have to drill them out...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001018_zpsbb13ba8c.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001018_zpsbb13ba8c.jpg.html)
... so that I could add some nylon spacers for the terminal studs.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001020_zpsba837ef0.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001020_zpsba837ef0.jpg.html)
The only spacers I could find were too long, so I had to cut them down.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001022_zps5d6d0517.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001022_zps5d6d0517.jpg.html)
After cutting them to length, I inserted the spacers into the holes I drilled. They were snug, which is what I wanted.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001024_zps43d3f4c7.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001024_zps43d3f4c7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on August 18, 2013, 10:44:51 PM
Next, I gathered the nylon washers and brass terminal stud hardware, all bought at Lowe's.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001025_zps870a0d79.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001025_zps870a0d79.jpg.html)
Along with the wires, I assembled the studs...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001026_zps2378c2f6.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001026_zps2378c2f6.jpg.html)
... and inserted the stud into the holes with the nylon spacers.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001027_zps26c9a3f6.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001027_zps26c9a3f6.jpg.html)
With the wiring connected on the inside (yes, the two on the left are assembled incorrectly – I fixed it) ...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001028_zpsc3644eae.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001028_zpsc3644eae.jpg.html)
... I tested and labeled the terminals on the outside of the chassis.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001030_zpsb536f92e.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001030_zpsb536f92e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on August 18, 2013, 10:46:21 PM
Then, I made up a short wiring harness, and labeled the end terminals. Without it, it would be nearly impossible to attach the wires once the motor is mounted to the boat.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001031_zps660da8c8.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001031_zps660da8c8.jpg.html)
And, I capped the terminal studs with some vacuum line for a little extra protection from errant screwdrivers or whatever...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001032_zpsee90ef41.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001032_zpsee90ef41.jpg.html)
When I was all done, I have a pair of wiper motors ready to finish mounting to the hull, and wire to the switches.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001036_zpsaa0ec78f.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001036_zpsaa0ec78f.jpg.html)
So, in addition to a short chunk of wire, some heat-shrink, and a tiny bit of vacuum hose, here's the parts I used.
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001034_zps2fe37df7.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/ak-angler/media/Boat/Wipers/2013-08-18001034_zps2fe37df7.jpg.html)
Hopefully this will help somebody else that's looking to upgrade their wipers on the cheap.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Wyrguy on August 19, 2013, 12:22:56 AM
Rodd, Nice Job!!!  :clap:

I must admit, you've got way more patience than I do for that small stuff   :bowdown:

That was also creative use of the blue heat shrink to hold together the wiring harness...

Rick

Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: GregE on August 19, 2013, 08:16:55 AM
Wow, nice photo essay!!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: theSaltyPuddle on August 20, 2013, 01:37:10 AM
Very impressive!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Kahunanui on August 20, 2013, 02:32:19 AM
Nice work and detail.   Thank you for the pics and the explanation.  very informative!

After such a nice post and realizing the extra time and thought you had to invest to kindly share with us I hesitate to ask about a detail, but here goes......

What are you using for label making? How resistant are they to time and the seagoing environment?

Thank you

Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: SRanger on August 21, 2013, 07:50:29 PM
Ordered 2 of the motors.  Thxs for the link AK.

SR
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on August 22, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: Kahunanui on August 20, 2013, 02:32:19 AM
What are you using for label making? How resistant are they to time and the seagoing environment?

Thank you
For this project, I used whatever spool came with the cheap DYMO label maker I bought at WalMart. They seem to hold up fine as long as they aren't in the weather/salt. I've made some other labels on the machine my wife has at work. They hold up much better for exterior labels. I don't know if a different spool would help with the DYMO labels, or if there's something inherently better with the wife's machine.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on August 23, 2013, 07:47:17 PM
Ak
Great description of your work, thank you!

Sr. I'll help you with your project if you'll help me!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Wyrguy on August 23, 2013, 08:01:26 PM
Quote from: markshoreline on August 23, 2013, 07:47:17 PM
Sr. I'll help you with your project if you'll help me!

Darren, grab your camera and get it ready... we're all gonna need to see this!!!   :bigshock: :shrug9:

:arms: :jester: :arms:

Rick
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: SRanger on August 25, 2013, 09:18:36 AM
Uh Oh...what did I do now?  Tried to ring you yesterday Mark.  You have never seen my repair skills...you may regret my assistance.  That said, how can I help?  And "no" I am not going to check your bilge!

SR
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on August 27, 2013, 02:03:58 AM
OK... My dual pantographic wiper upgrade is finally complete. :clap: Well, almost. :whistle: I currently have the motors set for a 110-degree sweep and am using 10-inch blades that I had to cobble together from a couple of different sets. The problem is, I can't seem to find a source for 10-inch blades that will work with a marine style bayonet wiper arm. (Actually, I did find a set online, but they wanted $45 EACH for the blades!) So I robbed the good bayonet adapters from a set of 'marine' wipers, and installed them on a pair of Trico 10-inch automotive blades. The adapters don't quite fit the blades as good as I would like, so I'm going to pick up a pair of brass or stainless Chicago bolts to replace the plastic hinge pin to make sure they stay together properly. I certainly wouldn't want them to fall apart on the water...

Of course, I could always use longer blades that are actually made to fit the bayonet style wiper arms. But then I would have to set the motors for an 85-degree sweep. And, I would rather have the extra wiping width that the 110-degree sweep provides, instead of the extra height I would get from a longer blade. And, even if I can get everything working the way I think I can, I'll have to remember to keep the adapters whenever these wipers wear out - or, I'll just change the rubber inserts. I did that for years on my Jeep, and it worked great. Got two really short wipers? Just buy one long one, strip the rubber out, cut it in half, and install on the two short frames. (Yeah... sometimes it amazes me where I'll look to save a buck. :nono:) In the mean time, I'll keep my eyes open for a set that will work.

Anyway, no pictures of the rest of the installation process for now. I was in a hurry trying to beat nightfall (and I didn't quite make it). But, I did discover a few possible pitfalls that should be easily avoided if you know about them in advance. So I'll snap a few strategic 'after' shots and finish the write-up properly in a few days. Stand by...



EDIT: Crisis averted! I found (and bought) a set of wipers that came with a proper bayonet adapter that fits much better than the previously cobbled together system. And, as an added bonus, the wipers fit my wife's car. So... spare wipers for the wife and proper adapters for the boat. And, I don't have to worry about having to use any particular wiper in the future. Win-win-WIN!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Jwoo 1800 on November 17, 2013, 08:24:34 PM
AK,
  What type/brand blades did you end up using? This will probably be on my winter project list and starting to price out the job.

Thanks
Jon
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on November 17, 2013, 09:46:09 PM
Oops... I guess I never posted the final update for this project. Anyway, no time like the present.

The critical adapter piece came from a set of NAPA Winter Defense wipers, part # 60-1857. That particular set had the bayonette adapter shown in the picture below. But - be aware that other Winter Defense part numbers didn't include that adapter, so be sure to check the package.

Once I had the correct adapter, I simply installed a set of regular 10" Trico brand automotive wiper blades. And, so far, everything is working great!

(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/ak-angler/Boat/Wipers/8F7A34FD-4BB9-4B64-99F9-90830BBDE7F6-10024-00000D66247F5597_zpsb9852f1d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Hydro-Therapy on November 17, 2013, 11:03:33 PM

AK this has been a very informative and interesting read. You have listed most of the how to and parts for the job. Even great detail with pictures. The one thing you have not listed was anything about the length of the pantographic  arms you used and where you got them or a brand and model number.If you could furnish this it would much appreciated . Thank You.

  H-T
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on November 17, 2013, 11:56:16 PM
You just missed it H-T. In the first paragraph of the first post...  :wink:

Quotepantographic arms (AFI #33032A)

They are adjustable from 12" to 17".

Edit: I don't remember exactly where I bought them... probably Amazon.

And, I suppose to make the write-up complete, I need to get the measurements I used for the holes, add any other details I can remember, and maybe snap a couple of 'after' photos. It might take me a while to get it all together. So, if anybody needs any more details, let me know, and I'll see if I can get specific answers for you.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Hydro-Therapy on November 18, 2013, 12:37:58 AM


  AK Thank you My bad. With the arms being adjustable the exact location of the motor would not be that critical . Other than it being installed with enough angle to let the arms function properly.

   Thanks Again

  H-T
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on November 18, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
Yes AK- great job on the procedures.  Thanks a lot for adding so much to our community :clap:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on November 18, 2013, 10:11:02 PM
Awwww... shucks, Mark. Everybody here is so great at sharing ideas and information, I just try to give back some small fraction of what I gather from this site. :arms:


And, hey... no problem there, H-T. There's a lot of little details woven into this thread, and even I had to go back and re-read it to see if I had actually posted that info about the arms.

But, you're right. The adjustable arm means the position of the motor shaft isn't extremely critical. Just be aware that there isn't much 'extra' room to work with, especially if you're going to use the 110-degree sweep setting.

Still... if it wasn't below zero and dark when I get home from work these days, I'd go out and take a few measurements and snap a few pictures anyway. I'd say that I would take care of tying up those loose ends this weekend, but it looks like the weather is going to be good enough for my brother and I to get out deer hunting. We should be leaving on Thursday!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 08, 2014, 03:12:00 PM
Here's some proof that the wiper upgrade actually works...

And, yeah... I think it was worth it!

http://www.youtube.com/v/I6-vP-m-i0c&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Salmon King on February 08, 2014, 04:38:36 PM
That's some pretty rough seas AK...
Di you go out in them on purpose or did they just come up while you were out?

Wipers look great!
That will be an upgrade on mine too one day.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 08, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
On purpose? Not this time... Ha!

This little blow was the reason I cut my last deer hunt short. The marine forecast on the radio updates at 4am and 4pm. The day before, the morning forecast was OK, so I stayed out and kept hunting. The evening forecast called for some real nastyness to blow in overnight, but it was too late (read: too dark) to do anything about it, so I had to wait 'till morning to make the 20 mile run back in to Whittier. And... this is what I woke up to. Yeah, it was rough. But it certainly wasn't the worst I've been in, so I just kept slogging along. Besides, I knew the worst of it was only going to be for 3 miles crossing Wells Passage (where the video was taken). If it ended up being too bad to cross, I figured I was going to be holed up for several days waiting it out. And, while it wouldn't be the end of the world if I was stuck out there for a while, it would definitely be better if I could make it back before things got really bad... which is what the morning forecast was predicting. As it turns out, it wasn't so bad that I couldn't also run the video camera while I was driving... :whistle:

And, on an unrelated note... it seems like it takes forever to go 'just a few miles' when you're making way at only 8 miles per hour, as opposed to 24-25 mph. The porpoises were a nice break...
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Salmon King on February 08, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Quote from: Salmon King on February 08, 2014, 04:38:36 PM
That's some pretty rough seas AK...
Did you go out in them on purpose or did they just come up while you were out?

Wipers look great!
That will be an upgrade on mine too one day.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Threeweight on February 08, 2014, 09:07:38 PM
Nice!  Have had some similarly bad days coming back down the Columbia River estuary on an ebb tide running against the wind. 

Bet that Suzi is a little quieter than your old Johnson at 8 mph.  :wink:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on February 08, 2014, 10:54:31 PM
Wow, those wipers really kept the rain off!   During the length of your video mt wiper would have made about three swipes...
Do you have variable speeds?
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 08, 2014, 11:47:24 PM
Mark - I've got the wipers set up on a pair of high/low/park switches. After using them a few times, I do kinda wish I had a variable speed system. For the most part, the 2-speed switch works pretty darn good (they're set on 'high' in the vid), but sometimes even the 'low' setting is  a bit too fast (still better than the 'turtle' speed of the factory wiper!). So either a 'mist' setting (push to swipe, release to stop) or an intermittent/delay switch - or both -  would be great. I will say that having each side on it's own switch is perfect for when the wind is blowing spray onto only one window. I'd definitely recommend a wiper system upgrade to anybody considering it.

3WT - The Suzuki is quieter than the old Johnson at any speed. Plus, I get better fuel economy with the Suzuki slogging through the slop than I did even in perfect conditions with Keith. Definitely don't regret that upgrade!
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: AlAdams on February 10, 2014, 03:39:52 PM
Funny Mark.  I was just thinking the same thing.  Only, I am thankful if mine decides to give me those three, pathetic swipes. 
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Salmon King on February 10, 2014, 05:20:41 PM
The wiper motor on the FahrFrumWerken is mounted on the top of the window frame...
Will a pantographic wiper system still mount there?
...Anyone??
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 10, 2014, 07:21:07 PM
No idea SK. I can't imagine how any wiper motor would mount on the top of the window frame... Can you post a picture of your setup?
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on February 10, 2014, 09:36:37 PM
AK
When you sweep through Seattle to pick up your new boat you wanna slap in a couple of pantographs on LiLi?  You can do one on the way and one on the way back! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 10, 2014, 10:45:32 PM
Ooooohhhh.... Sorry, Mark. But, I'm not actually heading down to pick up my boat - a friend will be towing it up for me. So, sadly, I won't have the opportunity to help you upgrade your wipers.   :berry: 

But, I'm sure you can git-er-dun without me! :beerchug:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Salmon King on February 11, 2014, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: ak-angler on February 10, 2014, 07:21:07 PM
No idea SK. I can't imagine how any wiper motor would mount on the top of the window frame... Can you post a picture of your setup?

Yup...I have a hole for the wiper motor shaft drilled right through the top of the windshield frame.
Looks to be a factory install and I kinda like it there rather than hanging down in the cabin.
I've never seen another Arima with it located there either.

Maybe Belinda knows if this was how they installed the wipers in the early days of Arima?

I'll see if I can get a picture posted this weekend sometime.

Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on February 12, 2014, 11:25:12 AM
AK
When are you going to get the new boat?
Is he going to pull it up the AK highway?
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 12, 2014, 12:29:40 PM
Yep - he's going to tow the boat up through Canada. He may come up through either Alberta, or BC (the plans have changed a couple of times, and may change again before he hooks up to the boat...). The target date for arrival here is April 23 - just 10 short weeks from today!

:dance:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Markshoreline on February 12, 2014, 12:34:29 PM
soooo, are you a little excited?   :arms:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 12, 2014, 12:48:12 PM
Nope. I'm a LOT excited! And so is the missus. ... ... ... and so are my brothers... and my uncles... and my friends... and my neighbor... and a couple of my co-workers...  I think I'm going to need to hire a booking agent. :nono:
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: Threeweight on February 12, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
Have probably already thought of this, but you may want to have him cover the front windows with some thick cardboard or even thin luan plywood to protect them from flying rocks on the road. 
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: ak-angler on February 12, 2014, 02:56:34 PM
Thanks for the idea 3WT. But, all the glass is already under shrink wrap.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: croaker stroker on November 23, 2016, 09:40:47 PM
Bumping this back up to the top. Great read for those wishing to install windshield wipers.


Wow. This thread has had over 5000 views.



Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: realtordarius on September 08, 2018, 09:48:26 AM
Might be a bit late to ask this but I'm unable to find those motors anymore, anyone have an updated location I might find them?
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: blindmonkey on September 08, 2018, 10:05:01 AM
I installed what the factory used to use. Belinda gave me the following part numbers which I used for my boat AFI Marinco motor 34011; Marinco pantographic arm Marinco 33032A and wiper blade Marinco 33004. I bought mine at Seattle Fisheries Supplies when they were on sale.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: realtordarius on September 09, 2018, 09:13:27 AM
I was specifically looking for the $30 ones mentioned in the first post (5-1789-B) but can't seem to find them.
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: tomo on September 09, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/Marinco/24-Volt-DC-Marinco-38210-Wiper-Motor-5-1793.axd
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: DevMah on September 09, 2018, 08:12:47 PM
Quote from: tomo on September 09, 2018, 06:24:02 PM
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/Marinco/24-Volt-DC-Marinco-38210-Wiper-Motor-5-1793.axd

FYI
This is a 24 volt motor it will require double the current to operate at 12v and there is a 1.5" shaft also


https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/Marinco/24-Volt-DC-1-5-Marinco-38211-01-Wiper-Motor-5-1790.axd


Dev
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: tomo on September 09, 2018, 08:36:41 PM
hmm  you are right.  i took this screen shot a while ago based on a link provided here.   im glad you pointed this out. 
Title: Re: Pantographic wiper install
Post by: realtordarius on September 10, 2018, 12:36:29 PM
Yea, I saw that one.  Don't think I'm electrically handy enough to do a switch to 24v with my existing dual battery 12v set-up.