howdy fellas,
i have been lurking this forum for a while and think i found a good boat to start with, its a 97 19 ht at defiance marine in bremerton. the wife and i went to look at it earlier and like it alot.
its very clean and looks to be in great shape with a ton of maintenance records, im a little leary of the 2 stroke with 633 hours but im told its a great runner. it come with a few extras 4 stroke merc 9.9, manual downriggers, gps/fish finder not sure which model, and even more. it was getting late and they were getting ready to close so we didnt get a lot of time to look it over but it seem like a decent deal, its on consignment and we put in an offer of 20k. what are your opinions as i dont have any experience other than this forum.
thanks for any help
coby
http://www.defiancemarine.com/default.asp?page=xPreOwnedInventoryDetail&id=2168075&p=1&s=Year&d=D&t=preowned&fr=xPreOwnedInventory
If that main has been maintained as well as the rest of the boat you have no worries.
Those Mercury Offshores were ALMOST as bulletproof as the 2-stroke Yamaha's were.
I'd bet you'll get at least about 1000 hours out of it.
OR...you might get a decent trade value for it towards a new 4-stroke...
Compression test, compression test, compression test. If it is good after these hours, The main should last for a bit. Look closely for corrosion issues. The main engine is a great engine with a great reputation. I think it would matter how much you are looking to use the boat. If you are planning on running it a lot, the main may not be the best choice.
definitely going to have the compression test done, and a general look over by a mechanic at defiance. is there anything else to look for regarding the main or hull. what do you mean by running it a lot, a lot of hours per year or several hours at a time
By running a lot, I mean:
If you are putting a few hundred hours a year, you may be looking for a motor sooner than later. If you log 60-100 hrs a year, the main may last a long time.
For me this year is going to be a 300 hr year. :dance:
ok thanks, 300 hours a year sounds like a good time
Of course it is a two stroke with lower fuel economy than a 4 stroke and the smoke, of course. They can be very reliable, long lived motors, however.
19' 19 years old just seems a bit on the rich side to me since you are asking. Even maintained well and running good that motor does not ring a lot on the resale register.
I like that model, but being a Honda fan boy, I'd want to know how much without the motors.
Yat
I understand that the price is a bit on the high but i think that is just how it goes around here. im hoping that ill save in the long run with not out growing the boat with the 2ftitis.
2 footitis: All that going to a 21 will get you, as far as usable space, is about 18" more length in the open fishing deck. Being a bit longer (10% +/-) it will handle more smoothly on a rough sea also.
StreamFixer
Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. Sometimes private owners won't dicker but I've not dealt with a dealer that won't.
just out of curiosity what would be a fair price for an arima in this condition, do to arima's in good condition don't sit around for very long i have already put an offer on it.
Quote from: cobyb on July 03, 2016, 10:41:48 AM
just out of curiosity what would be a fair price for an arima in this condition, do to arima's in good condition don't sit around for very long i have already put an offer on it.
In my opinion since i was in the market myself a few months ago, it's a few grand over. Boat and trailer seems great especially for the year. Unfortunately the motor and hours on it are deal breaker to some people like myself. However, if this combo works for you, jump on it and push the price since you dont have me paying asking price for it.
Quote from: cobyb on July 03, 2016, 10:41:48 AM
just out of curiosity what would be a fair price for an arima in this condition, do to arima's in good condition don't sit around for very long i have already put an offer on it.
Price depends on how patient you are. I would personally be looking to pay about 15k. Logic is main engine cost. Replacement is about 12K. This boat with new power would sell quick in the mid 20's. If you go in at 20 and have to repower you will be upside down when you sell. You do get to use your boat and can have it right now. If you plan on keeping it for many years, it matters less as the cost can be spread over many years. At the end of the day, only you can decide what it is worth. Waiting has the cost of missing out on what you want to do and you have to consider what that is worth.
Quote from: ATGEP on July 03, 2016, 11:44:00 AM
Price depends on how patient you are. I would personally be looking to pay about 15k. Logic is main engine cost. Replacement is about 12K. This boat with new power would sell quick in the mid 20's. If you go in at 20 and have to repower you will be upside down when you sell. You do get to use your boat and can have it right now. If you plan on keeping it for many years, it matters less as the cost can be spread over many years. At the end of the day, only you can decide what it is worth. Waiting has the cost of missing out on what you want to do and you have to consider what that is worth.
Very well said. You and I think very much alike. My only weakness is patience. I hate waiting so I am willing to pay a little more if it is something that i actually want so i can use now instead of missing out.
Buying an Arima is tough. A good one priced right won't last more than a day.
well i figured it a little high but not quite that bad, i have spent a few years looking at boats and thinking about getting one, and now is the time to pull the trigger. i have definitely seen some better deals pop up and have disappeared just as quickly. so i jumped on this one as quick as i could, and if we end up overpaying i think we will still be happy. like everyone has mentioned my main concern is with the main, of course its the most expensive to replace but hopeful it has a few good years left in it. i'm definitely a firm believer in maintenance.
we'll see what happens on tuesday.
thanks again coby
Post inspection and sea trial, there will be room to re-negotiate if there are any "findings" . I only got my boat because it was overpriced. Even my low ball offer was a few grand over what I wanted to pay but I got the boat I wanted and she was ready to splash when I got her.
Quote from: LimitOut on July 03, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ATGEP on July 03, 2016, 11:44:00 AM
Price depends on how patient you are. I would personally be looking to pay about 15k. Logic is main engine cost. Replacement is about 12K. This boat with new power would sell quick in the mid 20's. If you go in at 20 and have to repower you will be upside down when you sell. You do get to use your boat and can have it right now. If you plan on keeping it for many years, it matters less as the cost can be spread over many years. At the end of the day, only you can decide what it is worth. Waiting has the cost of missing out on what you want to do and you have to consider what that is worth.
Very well said. You and I think very much alike. My only weakness is patience. I hate waiting so I am willing to pay a little more if it is something that i actually want so i can use now instead of missing out.
Buying an Arima is tough. A good one priced right won't last more than a day.
It is indeed a difficult balance: how bad you want it versus what you're willing to pay versus how long you're willing to wait. Good luck.
Very sweet boat! Sounds like you have spent a fair amount of time looking, and I know you know as well, but I would be pulling the trigger in the fall/winter for maybe a better deal. I personally would never buy a 2 stroke boat unless the price was good enough for an immediate repower.
Good luck and I know you will enjoy an Arima.
Coby,
Nice boat, with a lot of factory options. The clean ones sell fast, this will be no exception!
:twocents: :stirthepot:
I am going to throw my two cents in here...on the trailer! I do not feel it is near enough trailer especially if you are going on ANY road trips longer than a few miles or routinely trailer on a less than smooth road! That boat needs to be on a tandem axle trailer. I have a 92 Sea Chaser 17 with a Mercury 90HP EFI 4 stroke that weighs 386 and a Honda 8HP power tilt full remote kicker that all in weighs 165 and a single axle EZ Loader trailer and I am searching for a deal locally for a tandem trailer because at 3000+ lbs all in for a loaded boat a single axle trailer is not enough, especially in my case as I trailer at least 120 miles up into the Colorado mountains and a 3500 mile round trip fishing adventure to Vancouver Island every year. :twocents:
I am not sure why you are saying this but I have a perfectly fine single axle trailer that is rated for 4000#.
Quote from: Chief of the Boat on July 03, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
Coby,
Nice boat, with a lot of factory options. The clean ones sell fast, this will be no exception!
:twocents: :stirthepot:
I agree COB
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Quote from: cohosalmon on July 04, 2016, 10:42:16 PM
I am not sure why you are saying this but I have a perfectly fine single axle trailer that is rated for 4000#.
I personally prefer a single axle. :biggrin:
http://www.pacifictrailers.com/square-tube-trailer-axle-2-x-3-5200lb-capacity/
Do they offer any kind of guarantee on the outboard ?
Do they offer any kind of guarantee on the outboard ?
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i dont think so
I say what I did because of tire ratings, not axles. I don't care if you have a 10,000LB rated axle there are no 14' tires that on a single axle trailer configuration that are capable of carrying a 4000lb load. My 14' ST205 75R load range C (the highest you can get in a 14) are rated for 1760LBS max load single axle 1540LBS dual (1760 x 2=3520, 1540 x 4= 6160LBS) that is my argument! To go to a higher rated tire you must get 15' tires and wheels which do not fit under most of the EZ loader trailer fenders that were made for 14" wheels. Even at that you are still close to maxing out the tire capacity of a 15" tire.
Off my high horse now as this is a never ending argument. :arms:
I hope we have not scared Coby away. All Arima's used to come with 2 strokes. Most 19's come with single axle trailers. As it is demonstrated, the trailer is at it's limit, the expected towing profile would factor in to the decision. Properly maintained both should be just fine in service. There is some risk with the engine that could cost $$$ but it is similar to most of us with the engine out of warranty.
Buy New and loose your $$$ on depreciation, buy used and save on tax and assume the risk of a major gotcha. If the boat is as cherry as it is described, pull the trigger.
ATGEP,
Well said.
http://www.etrailer.com/dept-pg-Tires_and_Wheels.aspx?Redirect=1
Great info about the D rated tires. Those will be going on my trailer when I need new rubber. Yes, the trailer is at it it's limit, but I take it easy, take care of it and stay pretty close to home and it hasn't given me any trouble.
That's a nice clean boat! Mine wasn't when we stumbled upon it last December, but in hindsight we got a pretty good deal. We also moved fast and we ended up with a lot more boat than I thought we could get into. I hope it works out for you.
Well, I stand corrected and happily so! I have searched for a long time and stopped in at Discount tire here in Denver as well as other tire shops and no one found in their search when I asked them for a D or E rated 14" trailer service tire anything about this size or availability. They all said no tires over 6 ply are made in a 14 and that was wrong......so I will be buying 3 of these for my current trailer while I still search out a tandem trailer. Thanks for posting the link and I hope I did not scare off any potential buyers for this boat, I just feel a single axle is not enough and I have towed trailers 10's of thousands of miles over my 46 years behind the wheel.
Tim :biggrin:
My single axle trailer rated for 4000#, 15" tires Range D for 2500# each. Trailers my 19SR with ease. You can have your opinion but to say a single axle trailer is no good for a 19SR is plain wrong.
cobyb,
Sorry if I'm being nosy but???????? Are you the proud owner of a new to you boat yet :shrug9: ? :stirthepot: I can't stand the suspense :biggrin: .
If you aren't ... Buy a 19 with a tandem trailer and a 4 stroke and sleep happily ever after...
Defiance site shows boat sold. :clap: