Well with the nice weather I decided to rewire the Sea Ranger and install my Raymarine equipment. I picked up another Raymarine A75 head unit on Ebay to network with my A78. A75 with built wifi will share data with my iPad that I will mount in a LifeProof case outside the cabin. PIcked up a Simrad RS35 and the HS35 wireless handset for the port side passenger or attached to my life vest. Hopefully this will all tie together along with the Raymarine Lifetag that is running on Seatalk(ng).
VT
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Looks like a fun project! You will like the wireless network. I use my iPhone as a remote control to switch screens when I'm running tiller in the back....works slick. Enjoy your project!
... and keep those pictures coming VT
I will try to get some more photos of the progress. I want to get it done to do some crabbing.
VT
Hey John kinda interested in how you plan to mount your displays especially since I acquired a 21ht. By the way still have that Penn Squall unused you were drooling over at Neah last year but I did put it on a Shimano rod. :biggrin:
Quote from: beancounter on November 10, 2015, 04:01:17 PM
Hey John kinda interested in how you plan to mount your displays especially since I acquired a 21ht. By the way still have that Penn Squall unused you were drooling over at Neah last year but I did put it on a Shimano rod. :biggrin:
I was talking with Mark on how I should have both units mounted and I have some ideas. I will try a couple of setups and take some photos. As for the Penn Squall.. I took care of that itch.
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VT
I hope to finish the electrical stuff this weekend and here is a rough diagram of the network. I could almost get away with one 5-way connector, but the devicenet cable from the radio to the bus is pretty short. So I have to trunk the two connectors to give the network some length. A network switch will be added sometime in the future for the radar dome.
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VT
That is going to be a sweet package when you are done with it, John!
John you put the handle on the wrong side. Didn't know you were a lefty.
Lefties reel with their right hands. I never understood why so many of you right-handers insist on swapping the rod to the left hand in order to reel! :hoboy:
Very Nice Upgrades... Are any of your original electronics already spoken for?
Well... with respect to the pole switching thing... in my case it comes from using Penn reels exclusively for 25+ years.
Oh.... and yeah.... I surf goofy footed too! :whistle:
VT,
Is it necessary to connect the two MFDs via cable? If connected, can they still display different data?
Also, what does a network switch do, and when is one needed?
I want to run two sonar modules and can't figure out whether I need a switch?
Thanks!
Quote from: HemiGTX on December 09, 2015, 03:38:00 AM
VT,
Is it necessary to connect the two MFDs via cable? If connected, can they still display different data?
Also, what does a network switch do, and when is one needed?
I want to run two sonar modules and can't figure out whether I need a switch?
Thanks!
Hemi,
Yes, they can display different data, but the A75 does not have a built-in sounder so for now I will use it to mirror data from the A78. The network switch adds more Hi speed ports so I can attach the HD Radar and have the data displayed on all devices. The answer for your sounder question is that you need to get a CP module. http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=478 That's if you are running Raymarine. This module will connect different types of transducers and allow the individual head units to use any transducer from a drop down list.
Very Nice Upgrades... Are any of your original electronics already spoken for?
Zarn,
Unfortunately, I don't have any old stuff laying around.
VT
VT, I currently have an e7d linked to a cp470 sonar module and a 265 1kw chirp transducer. I also have a p58 transom mount transducer tied directly to the mfd.
I will be adding a CP100 Downvision sonar module before Neah. I'll have to tie the two sonar modules to either a 5 way connector or a network switch. I *think* I need the switch, but what are your thoughts?
I love the raymarine stuff, but the fact that they have ray met, seatalk, and seatalkNG cables just confuses the heck out of me. If I were in charge, you would be able to build a network using only one kind of cable! I would pay good money for a manual that described how to build raymarine networks...
Thanks!!
Quote from: HemiGTX on December 09, 2015, 08:15:59 PM
VT, I currently have an e7d linked to a cp470 sonar module and a 265 1kw chirp transducer. I also have a p58 transom mount transducer tied directly to the mfd.
I will be adding a CP100 Downvision sonar module before Neah. I'll have to tie the two sonar modules to either a 5 way connector or a network switch. I *think* I need the switch, but what are your thoughts?
I love the raymarine stuff, but the fact that they have ray met, seatalk, and seatalkNG cables just confuses the heck out of me. If I were in charge, you would be able to build a network using only one kind of cable! I would pay good money for a manual that described how to build raymarine networks...
Thanks!!
I am sure you have done some research on this, but let me do some tinkering on paper of your setup.
VT
I'm going to go the 'switch' route, because I know I'll need it when I add radar. Plus, it's the expensive option. I never seem to get away with the cheap option! Lol!
Sounds good. I will be doing the same. Are you going standard digital or hd digital on the radar?
VT
HD, so I can better see birds. But I also want a second, larger MFD. I have the E7D, but want a 12" screen as well.
Quote from: HemiGTX on January 22, 2016, 02:04:29 PM
HD, so I can better see birds. But I also want a second, larger MFD. I have the E7D, but want a 12" screen as well.
Does your E7D have wifi? I would get a large tablet and put the Raymarine app and controll app for a larger screen. But if you are looking for redundancy, I can see that. But a larger tablet 10" or 12" then install the app and run Navionics wouldn't be a bad secondary.
VT
VT, maybe you can answer some of my questions. I am setting up a second E7 next to my E7D. I am hooking them up through a HS5 network switch, as well as my digital HD radar. I currently have my Suzuki 115 connected with a seatalkng to NMEA 2000 setup. I have added a SH GX2200 and want to connect it and was going to use the NMEA 0183 connection.
I see you used an adapter cable to go directly to Seatalkng. Why not use the NMEA 0183 connection wires in the E7D harness?
Also, are you setting your radio to MFD connection to 38400 baud rate? Is that the right one?
Any insights would be appreciated.
Bruce
Quote from: BruceL2_Fish on January 23, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
VT, maybe you can answer some of my questions. I am setting up a second E7 next to my E7D. I am hooking them up through a HS5 network switch, as well as my digital HD radar. I currently have my Suzuki 115 connected with a seatalkng to NMEA 2000 setup. I have added a SH GX2200 and want to connect it and was going to use the NMEA 0183 connection.
I see you used an adapter cable to go directly to Seatalkng. Why not use the NMEA 0183 connection wires in the E7D harness?
Also, are you setting your radio to MFD connection to 38400 baud rate? Is that the right one?
Any insights would be appreciated.
Bruce
On both of my head units the power connection does not have the NMEA 0183 cabling. But you are correct on the baud rate for your unit should be set for 38400. I am using the devicenet cable to tie the RS35 directly to the backbone to keep everything running on NMEA 2K. That way in the future if I want to share AIS data to other devices that data will be available. Using the NMEA 0183 is a one to one connection.
VT
VT, got me thinking maybe I should put in the Seatalk backbone and connect the engine data and radio feeds to it so both MFD's can use he data. Something to think about. That Raymarine network stuff is expensive, so that my temper my decision.
Vt,
Good idea on the wifi/tablet.
Nicole has balked at me using her tablet on the boat. My mistake was asking her if has a touch screen..
I'll keep working on her.
Quote from: BruceL2_Fish on January 23, 2016, 06:51:44 PM
VT, got me thinking maybe I should put in the Seatalk backbone and connect the engine data and radio feeds to it so both MFD's can use he data. Something to think about. That Raymarine network stuff is expensive, so that my temper my decision.
I know that most boating/fishing sites talk about redundancy. I know John Keizer from SaltPatrol.com comments on running two units in case of failure while out on the water.
VT
Also very nice to be able to dedicate one screen to sonar, one to chartplotter/radar. That way you can make adjustment to the sonar on the fly without screwing with your maps.
I would suggest a large open array Hemi if you want to look for birds. My experience with a Garmin 18hd was you only saw them very close to the boat. Guys with large open arrays do much better looking for birds on their radar. Maybe some others here have experience with other units. But I have heard that none of the closed domes do a great job finding birds.
Quote from: beancounter on January 24, 2016, 03:59:31 AM
I would suggest a large open array Hemi if you want to look for birds. My experience with a Garmin 18hd was you only saw them very close to the boat. Guys with large open arrays do much better looking for birds on their radar. Maybe some others here have experience with other units. But I have heard that none of the closed domes do a great job finding birds.
My Raymarine RD 418 Colour HD has 'bird mode'
Raymarine HD Color Radome Scanners
Features:
48 NM range
Adaptive digital receiver automatically adjusts to changing environmental and sea conditions for a dramatically clearer picture
256 color multi-level target display with selectable color palettes
Bird Mode automatically optimizes the receiver for detecting sea birds above schools of fish
Dual-range mode allow you to monitor both long and short ranges simultaneously with a single scanner and display
Wyrguy Rick
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OK guys, I am not a techie and need some help to make sure I understand if I am doing this correctly. Here is a picture of how I "think" I need to set up my electronics to be able to share information from all components.
I used to just have the E7D with the Radar running into it and the NMEA 2000 backbone that was powered with a T in the back along with a T to connect the Suzuki interface cable. I ran the backbone up to the front where I had a T with an adapter cable for NMEA 2000 to SeaTalkng.
What I am believe I can do is power the Seatalkng 5 way connector and connect the NMEA 2000 backbone with an adapter cable. do I still need to retain the power connection to the NMEA 2000 backbone I originally installed? I plan to add a NMEA 0183 E70196 adapter 5 way to feed the SH GX2200 AIS information to the system by connecting with a short backbone cable. Does this look like it will work?
Thanks for any insight, corrections and advice.
Rick, have you used the bird mode? I also saw that raymarine introduced a new radar (Quantum) to further confuse the issue. I know an open array is ideal, but I gave to draw the line (cost) somewhere!
Boats are just floating carrying cases for marine electronics.
I would be interested also if Rick has used it for spotting birds say 1-5 miles away perhaps. I am no expert actually I am very technologically challenged to be honest. It would be nice if there were a reasonable priced radome that actually could find birds. But I am guessing bird mode is marketing hype more than anything. I only spotted birds with mine when they flew within a 100 - 200 yds of me or so. Captains I know say that 4' open array is good but 6' is better to find the birds. Small radomes are good for navigating but I would have to see it to believe it myself if an 18" radome could find birds at any appreciable distance.
Ha! If I have to go to a 6' open array on my little arima, I guess I'm not going to be seeing any birds. I'll have to be content to use it to get out of the way of all the bayliners blasting around in the fog.
Bruce,
Looking at your drawing and I am not completely sure, but I would suggested a devicenet cable from your SH to the bus. I would ask that question on the Raymarine forum and the techs will respond pretty quickly. I don't think the NMEA 0183 data will transfer on that bus.
VT
So, I learned something new. The E70196 is only a one way talker used to send GPS info to the radio. I don't need that. I will just Connect the AIS data Gray and Brown wires fro GX2200 to E7D Orange/White and Orange/Green respectively. That will send AIS to the MFD.
Quote from: BruceL2_Fish on January 25, 2016, 05:55:09 AM
So, I learned something new. The E70196 is only a one way talker used to send GPS info to the radio. I don't need that. I will just Connect the AIS data Gray and Brown wires fro GX2200 to E7D Orange/White and Orange/Green respectively. That will send AIS to the MFD.
Yes Bruce, it's really that easy with your SH 2200 as it has the built in GPS antenna. You just need to remember to also change to NEMA 0183 port to the 38400 baud rate.
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This is how I've made my NEMA 0183 connection (and also the power feed to my E120 W)
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Wyrguy Rick
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Rick, thanks for your feed back. Once I figure out the E70196 was one way ( the wrong way) I re-read the manual for the GX2200 and the E7D and it clicked. I sure like how you know all the tricks to making the wiring so organized.
I added a 8 gauge duplex cable from my safety hub 150 to a BlueSea 6 fuse panel up front. I have consolidated the GX220 VHF radio, the (2) Raymarine E7's, the RD418HD radar, the Fusion Radio and the HS-5 network switch into that panel. The factory fuse panel I am just using for what it came wired with and the GX1700 radio already on it. I will post a picture when I am done. Definitely not up to your professional standard.
Bruce
Well, I finally finished my electronics update, kind of in Parallel with VT. Here are some pictures of my Twin E7D and E7 units, the Standard Horizon GX1700 and GX2200. I am also including a picture of the new Blue sea fuse panel that is dedicated to the Electronics, including the RD418HD radar unit and the HS-5 network switch.
The HS-5 network switch, made data sharing so simple, now both MFD's have access the my Navionics Platinum Chart data, my way points, routes and track information, Sonar, Radar and engine data. Not sure if the NMEA 0183 connection to the E7D which serves as the data master will share AIS data with the second MFD yet.
As a side note, once I understood how the connection was made with the E7 having NMEA 0183 connection capability it was way simple. Thanks for the help with that one Rick.
Bruce,
That looks great. Have you done the radar overlay on both units? Be interesting to see what the AIS data does on that network. I need to get to my boat wired up, but I am in the middle of some big projects right now. Just got a lot going on and fishing season is right around the corner.
VT
Nice setup!
Very clean set up Bruce. You learn quickly and have great skills. :applause:
Nice work you have a lot of info displayed there.
VT, I still haven't really had a chance to work with the AIS data yet. The Radar overlay works great. Until I get the boat out on the water I won't be able to see how or if the AIS sharing from the data master.
Greg, thanks for the comments, I really am appreciative of the knowledge of this group that has helped me figure this stuff out. I got so much more to learn and this group is a wealth of knowledge and experience to learn from.
The more I play with what this set-up will do the more I am excited to put it to use.
Now you have me thinking about moving the tach behind the wheel and adding another MFD. Sure would be nice to update our olfer radar to a digital one. $$$
Oh my, here we go. Haven't finished the new to me tandem trailer yet ( longer bunks, new heavier rated wheels ) or added the hydraulic steering. :shrug9:
Hahaha.... the warning about this topic and the last post was over 120 days ago.... Well I am finally getting everything installed. I had the Raymarine A78 installed, but didn't get any of the other stuff done. So last Saturday morning along with last night I got the following completed.
Mounted the second head unit Raymarine A75
Installed the Raymarine Hi-speed switch
Installed two SeatalkNG backbones
Installed the Raymarine Lifetag and mounted the siren
Updated the Lighthouse II to R17 on the Master and then pushed to the A75
Installed Simrad RS35 and ran devicenet cable to the backbone
Configured AIS layer on both MFDs
Configure RayControl on iPad mini for 3rd screen
Pending...
Mount the HS35 remote handset and pair it with the RS35
Configure GPS input on the RS35
Finish installing new switch panel
Install 15w solar panel and charge controller
Wire switch to front water tank and run new hose (thanks Hemi!)
Install radar mount, radar and new anchor light
Not very good pics, but I will try to get some better ones once I clean stuff up. What I have learned is the network is pretty fast. The last update is almost 1GB zipped and the remote update took less than 10 minutes. The AIS data is available across the network bus and there is no latency with the wifi and iPad when controlling the second MFD remotely.
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Looks nice. Get some use on the system and give an application report. :arms:
Sure will. I can't wait to try the sonarchart live mapping around some of the areas on the Columbia. AIS is working great and will compliment the radar nicely. Once I get that installed.
VT
Curious how your live mapping works as well. I just upgraded the operating system on my A98 to support live mapping, not much experience with it yet!
Quote from: Threeweight on June 15, 2016, 01:41:14 PM
Curious how your live mapping works as well. I just upgraded the operating system on my A98 to support live mapping, not much experience with it yet!
I am eager to test it out as well. Didn't have enough time tonight, but if I can get out tomorrow evening. Depends if we get those thunder storms as predicted. Tonight's boat test went well.
It is amazing how many boats have their AIS on even when docked or anchor'd.
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So far so good with keeping bottom with the trim tabs installed. Much easier to get on step now with the tabs.
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Here is the helm shot. I should have charged the tablet and had that running as well. I was just short on time.
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Got the switch panel mounted, 12v gauge, and 15 watt solar panel. I should have my charge controller tomorrow and the Yamaha NMEA cable on Friday. Radar should be here within the next week or so.
VT
Wow! VT, when you're done, I'm thinking you should be able to get where your going without ever having to look out the window. Kinda like flying an F-16. (ha)
Yat
Yikes... you are making the electronics package on Wild Card seem downright modest :bigshock: That is going to be one sweet 19' when you are finished!
Quote from: Threeweight on June 16, 2016, 04:43:38 PM
Yikes... you are making the electronics package on Wild Card seem downright modest :bigshock: That is going to be one sweet 19' when you are finished!
I doubt that, but it has been fun. Just preparing and learning for when a bigger boat comes along. I don't know when, but it will be much, much bigger than anything I have ever owned before. I need to figure out a way to mount the Lifetag MOB modules on the girls life jackets and my mine.
VT